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    The Dallas Morning News reports police did not realize 57-year-old William Keith Hall was defending his home when they arrived, and that Hall ignored the officers’ repeated demands he drop his weapon.


    There are those who will not like what I say. Understandable but it doesn't make it any less true. I will get e-mails and PMs citing case law and rights violations but again doesn't change anything. I write it for one purpose and that is your protection and survival so I don't read another one of these stories.

    This story is an example of what not to do after a shooting. Understand that after a shooting you will have guns pointed at you by responding officers most likely and you will be handcuffed, gun at least temporarily confiscated and detained and it doesn't matter of who you are. I don't care if you are the homeowner, law enforcement, a soldier, a lawyer, think your important or right, you are a threat when the responding officers arrive so just roll with it momentarily until everything gets sorted out. It is easy enough for the criminal to win the gun battle and pretend to be the victim and take advantage of the situation.
    You will be scared, confused, having trouble getting thru the OODA loop but think about it and train your mind now that this will happen so it doesn't come as a shock.

    exit soapbox stage right
    Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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    thanks matt, my take away is stay as calm as possible and do what you are told (not bad advise for any dealings with LEOs). If you look around there are many cases of responding officers nearly shooting undercover or off-duty officers. My 2 cents is if you are read your rights then use your right to remain silent. Also talk to your family about not volunteering information.
    Survival question. What do I need most, right now?

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    • #3
      Matt
      sadly people never get self defense training. They take a ccw class get their permit and that is the extent of it. Some never even get their CCW. They just buy their pistol for the house and never practice or do scenario training etc. , plop it in the night stand or maybe under the pillow or in a shoe box in a closet.

      We saw it time and time again in our advanced self defense classes. All the "non gun guys" and even some of them too... just want the shooting portion of class and never pay attention to well in class room time. We spent first hour on safety etc range rules and commands for the next 1/2 hour then when we get into scenario training we lose them. part of scenario we ask who has retained a lawyer ahead of time for a day when the last thing you want to do is try to find one... a good one. while you are being cuffed and stuffed and you may have scarred or wounded/dead loved ones. we very seldom ever got a hand to go up. Self defense is serious and it dose not end with buying a firearm and gear. you need a Lawyer ahead of time retained and specialized in firearm laws for your area. You need to know what to do when calling 911 as well as your loved ones describing good guys from bad guys, you need to know when the LEOs arrive to put your firearm down and away from you. Be cooperative and state "I will be happy to help your investigation and talk once my legal council arrives" that's all you need to say until then. Shut your pie hole (at least in my free state /area.)
      You also need to know Defensive Tactics (unarmed) if your firearm ever fails, runs dry, knocked away.dropped in a struggle, or you let bad guy get to close and you cant draw) This is a thinking mans game. (preaching to the choir I know)
      Dave was a LEO firearms/DT instructor as well as owner of the self defense training company I worked for. For the final exam you shoot one of several variations of a course of fire/scenario and at the end he walks up and arrests you and cuffs you and dose a good or bad cop routine to get you to tell him what happened it was intimidating to watch let alone go through. A lot of students failed that part more so from not listening in class but Dave knew how to push buttons too.
      Matt thanks for the link I will forward to him for use in future class material.

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      • #4
        Ok wow that was better accepted than i thought. Not one "your a robot nazi" email or pm? LOL

        Good advice guys, for sure
        Yes remain silent after compliance. Verbal only- do not physically do anything, do not reach for anything or even point. Again remain alive -The gun is here, my ccw is here, the bad guy is there, I will cooperate fully after I see my lawyer then nothing else comes out of your mouth unless you need medical help. This also applies to off duty shootings as well. On duty it's the basics then get a rep and wait to make statements until after you run thru the emotions.
        Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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        • #5
          Great advice. Somehow, I am betting there was more to this than is printed...

          We know how "accurate" the media is. LOL

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          • #6
            Something to keep in mind is that when an LEO responds to a "shots fired" call, regardless of the situation, he/she's going to be scared when he/she gets there. That officer will know that there is someone in the area who is not afraid to drop the hammer, and that officer will also want to go home at the end of the shift. i.e. that officer might be a bit trigger happy too. The advice of having a lawyer on stand-by is good too. Most importantly, you need to remember that the ONLY thing you say to the cops is, "My life was in danger. I want to talk to my attorney." and then SHUT THE HELL UP. Search for "Don't talk to cops" on YouTube if you don't understand why.

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            • #7
              if you aint read ayoob's books, IN THE GRAVEST EXTREME, and THE TRUTH ABOUT SELF DEFENSE, you'd better order them from interlibrary loan, now. and VERY few lawyers are any help, guys, beyond perhaps getting your bond reduced. Somebody who's worth a hoot is going to cost you 200k+ if the grand jury indicts you, and probably require a 2k a year retainer fee, too. Just ask George Z. If your case doesn't offer the attorney top advertising on TV, then you aint getting him free, and you wont be getting lots of money donated to your cause, either.

              So, what you'd better be is a lot more aware of the law, a lot better at hand to hand, have a non-lethal option (like a walking stick). Think some punk really wants to risk having his arm or leg broken in 1/4 second? Even prison inmates are allowed to have canes, and you are the only one who knows if your knee hurts. :-)
              Last edited by Guest; 10-19-2013, 09:16 AM.

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              • #8
                Yep, say only - I was in fear for my life (or the life of another), and I will be cooperative as soon as my attorney is present. Then say you don't feel well or have an injury and would like to go to the hospital. It never hurts to get checked out and it gets you out of the immediate situation until your attorney arrives.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hiram View Post
                  Yep, say only - I was in fear for my life (or the life of another), and I will be cooperative as soon as my attorney is present. Then say you don't feel well or have an injury and would like to go to the hospital. It never hurts to get checked out and it gets you out of the immediate situation until your attorney arrives.
                  This is the exact procedure we teach in class...

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