Preppers will Die WROL

[WiseOwl]

http://youtu.be/bi6DBnQ_tUo

I watched this video this morning and I believe this is an accurate assessment.

I was never in the military, I have never been shot, shot at, shot at a human, been in life or death fights, etc.
I have never seen combat, war, or even been in a trauma room at a hospital.

I have seen people shot at, shot, beat up, jumped, etc. It did not make me throw up or feel weird. It did not make me cry or act weird. Not saying that is anything compared to real war.


I honestly can not say how I would react in a PAW. I can only say that my mindset is different the average non LEO, MIL, Alphabetico boy, civilian, sheep. I have been in situations where others had deer in the headlights look or acted like white people in scary movies ("Hey lets go check out that noise"). One thing I have always been good at is being situationally aware. Common sense. Avoiding conflict if all possible, well post age 25 I guess.


I know that I am very protective of my family. I am very protective of my property and possessions. But, if a gang of 10 in the PAW was going door to door raping and pillaging I would only have 2 choices, run or defend. I cant say that I would risk their lives if I did not have a plan or some serious force multipliers.

I always analyze and access. Even when I watch dumbsday preppers. I always look for strength and weakness, in business or at the grocery store. Always.
I think that most preppers are the worst at this because they think that because they bought those AR's and cases of ammo and wear camo and carry a tacticool knife, have some food put up, have some books, etc that they are going to go all Karate Man on anyone that comes a knockin.

One thing I have a read a ton on with books or manuals is guerilla warfare and urban warfare because thats the only type we would see in my neck of the woods. More manuals that fiction tales.

I dont get to shoot as much as I used to just because ammo is stills scarce out here and I dont want to get too deep into my stocks. When I do go shoot its not "set up with some beers and see how many times I can hit bullseye or how many cans I can knock down. I try different scenarios and I will tell you running and then hitting the ground and trying to hit the target is hard as hell. Heavy breathing is tough to overcome, I can only imagine when someone is shooting to kill you and you are running for cover and/or a better vantage point.


What do you vets and LEO with real scenario experience think of this guys' assessment? I personally think its spot on and it really made me check myself and my daily life.

[Rmplstlskn]

I agree with him... But his answer, without NUMBERS, is still a dead Prepper... He speaks a lot about TRAINING, but if it is just a Dad, Mom, and a kid or two, they will still be taken out by a bubba with a $150 deer rifle when they go to the outhouse (as he describes), no matter how much training they have. If you don't have people pulling security, you are a sitting duck target every time you walk outside your home... This is what saddens me, that so many people like myself may not last long due to our lack of numbers and not being part of a living it now group... I know that a bubba with a scoped deer rifle could be in the woods line waiting for me to come out after he smelled something cooking yesterday as he was walking along the road as a refugee from some big city somewhere... I wouldn't have a chance... My wife and kids would fall soon after me... Game over! Waiting for the resurrection we will be...

But where I live it would NOT be urban warfare, but rather guerilla warfare... The later deadly without numbers to maintain security...

I have also heard it many times in various circles about how groups seek out only the most fit and well trained... But as MainePrepper said in his video, a lot of WROL will be BORING routines, not Olympic feats of physical endurance like a Hollywood action movie... This is why I think many different kinds of people will HAVE WORTH in a Survivalist Group / Preppers, even the old (care & respect for our elders is a Scriptural principle), the widowed, the single parents, even the overweight. If they offer a BENEFIT to the group, they have worth... Someone has to be manning LOP's and standing guard, for example... All boring, relatively easy work, that requires ALERTNESS and WORK ETHIC to do it right, to sound the alarm BEFORE a threat has time to gain the upper hand... This is why if I had any say in a group, I would evaluate members on several levels, not just by how many guns they have or if they can run a mile in a few minutes...

Rmpl

[protus]

"everybody got to die sometime,red."

[1Admin]

"everybody got to die sometime,red."

"I talked to the Padre about it man, I like it here, you can do what you want, no one messes with you, only worry you got it dieing and then you ain't gonna know it anyways, so forget it man."

"Man! I gotta be in this OP with you Protus?"

"Don't worry, you hanging with Audy Murphy my man."

[1Admin]

On a serious note though-

Anymore, I'm less and less impressed with the person that tells me they have 50,000 rounds of ammo and more impressed with the guy that tells me what he's learned at the last class, how he's doing on his physical fitness and asks when we are going to train again.

I've seen so many times a "false bravado" of sorts around survivalists and weapons. Their is this "I got this" attitude and they are unwilling to put in the work cause they feel they know it already (they don't) or have practiced it enough (no one has).

Then you have them put on their gear, run a "zombie drill" aka Running Ambush and everything changes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznj0B9V4lc

Or you put them in an unorthodox shooting condition- left hand only with rifle, fight for a red gun on the ground (begin mounted), at night without illumination, working a house, basic team tactics- and they realize their is so much more to "shooting" than simply standing next to Bubba at the WPA shooting range firing 50 rounds twice a year to see if "ole Betsy" still is zeroed.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I haven't watched the video yet but don't think alot of military and LEO wont die too. You don't get special ninja powers and sometimes you make choices that are wrong as someone trying to survive because you are in the business of saving others.
I make alot of bad choices in this regard

I'll comment more after watching

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Yep comments remain the same. Underestimation is also what he is doing. Like I said you gain some things by experience BUT you do not get the special ninja powers and you are still susceptible to death

BTW couldnt make it thru the video all the way zzzzzzzz

[Rmplstlskn]

Then you have them put on their gear, run a "zombie drill" aka Running Ambush and everything changes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznj0B9V4lc

Maybe I am clueless, could be... But to me, that person recording the video, in a REAL squared away community, might be ole' Grandpa laying down covering fire with his trusty Garand from his foxhole observation post as the fittest among the fighting men in the group retreat from a zombie biker attack they sounded the alarm about while doing a patrol of the property...

Not saying physical fitness is not important, as Lord knows I know the limitations being out of shape weighs you down with, but there are MANY positions and roles in a well-defended community, and not everyone will be like 1Admin in the video, on the front line so to speak... I suspect there will be women, mothers, grandmas, grandpas, adolescent children (The Patriot movie comes to mind)... Lot's of people doing different roles, all ready and trained to fight, just not all of them as infantry and LRRP, for lack of better terms...

But I do believe MainePrepper is right about WROL for those in the RURAL AREAS, as I think it will be mostly routine security and patrols for 90% of the time, with maybe a few percentages of OH Shizer! moments when hopefully everyone will do as trained and repel and hopeful destroy the threat... I do not see it like urban combat in Iraq for those out of the city... More like an ignorant, poorly conceived ambush from a "gang" of survivors from the city (no formal training together) who have no clue that they are already under observation by OP's and their target has already been warned of their approach details and plans are already in motion to destroy all of them off the face of the earth...

But who knows, it is all role playing as we have no clue how or what will happen in the future...

Rmpl

[rice paddy daddy]

"I talked to the Padre about it man, I like it here, you can do what you want, no one messes with you, only worry you got it dieing and then you ain't gonna know it anyways, so forget it man."

"Man! I gotta be in this OP with you Protus?"

"Don't worry, you hanging with Audy Murphy my man."

From the list "Things They Don't Teach You In Infantry School"
#14 - Never share a foxhole with someone braver than yourself. :)

I did not watch the video yet, but I will say that no one knows how they will react during their first contact, no matter what they currently believe.

[protus]

to add more than last time.
why does he concern himself. i gave up long ago getting worked up over what prepper joe was doing. i worried more about myself.
if it goes full blown WROL like most seem to wet dream about, lots of folks will die. some at the hands of others,,some by sickness/health issues...

everyone has a place shtf. it may not be sexy but not everyone will be 100% when the time comes. all you can do is try to get to a level that works for you on all fronts.

maineprepper should relax....like most im sure he has guns..ammo..food.. but what about debt,location,family.....to many out there are "gathering" stuff vs refining what they already have..again on all fronts.

[1Admin]

My point was that a lot of "preppers" have this "I got this" attitude regarding preparedness and survival related stuff with so little time in and so little actual experience with skill sets, real work in important areas, etc. It's that "false bravado" that is the very thing that's holding many of them back.

A good example, I'm giving a free 4-5 hour basic pistol class at another forums campout here in Georgia this Friday. Purposely set the ammo requirements extremely low (200 rounds), said I would bring extra pistols, 1 or 2 in .22 if anyone wanted to participate but didn't have ammo for their main pistol, etc. IT'S A FREE CLASS, something honestly you would pay $150-200. for at a gun school. Their is interest and I will do the class, but I've gotten PM's with things like "I can't find any .45 ammo right now, can I just do the class dry?" Another one "I only have 50 rounds for my .40 cal, will that be enough?" Again I reiterate, the class is FREE. Sometimes you have to pry open the wallet a little bit, blind Mr. Jackson who isn't used to seeing light, blow off the dust and cobwebs and realize that learning-even if the class and instructor is doing it for FREE- does cost a couple bucks sometimes (ammo, gear you should already have like a holster, ear pro, etc.) Dry work is great, but your not going to get the full effect just working dry.


A lot of this new crowd doesn't put enough emphasis on learning, or expects it for free. Then when it is free (see above) it's this "well it's not in my backyard, gas might cost me $20." or "can I come to the free shooting class and shoot 20 rounds all day?" type of BS.

Not enough real value put on skills and experience, a lot of lip service paid to it, but little shoe leather put to it.

That was my point I guess.

[protus]

Look how many times you or me have offered "free " info and the newbs turn their noses up at the chance...like the h2h stuff at fat Fred's that time.
I agree 100% that many just want it handed to them vs learning...my head still comes close to exploding when I read about bug out bags and shtf list. Gotta make mistakes to learn imho

[Rmplstlskn]

That was my point I guess.

Point acknowledged and understood...

It is sad to hear "preppers" don't have more than 50 rounds in possession... Pretty sad! And it isn't like ammo isn't available, it just isn't CHEAP like it used to be and you may have to have it shipped to you rather than go to Wallyworld... No excuses...

Rmpl

[protus]

Point acknowledged and understood...

It is sad to hear "preppers" don't have more than 50 rounds in possession... Pretty sad! And it isn't like ammo isn't available, it just isn't CHEAP like it used to be and you may have to have it shipped to you rather than go to Wallyworld... No excuses...

Rmpl

you have to look into the sterotypical prepper mantra.
short term.
Many dont stockup past 1-3 months of goods/stuff. This goes for ammo as well. Look how many times you will read about someone wanting to buy a hi point as their primary.While using "money" as an excuse . I dunno about you but sub 200$ to protect me and my family or maybe 400$( least now days).....

i think its because it is NOT a lifestyle for them,,its a fad,,insurance policy more or less.....

short term is key, sure the same guy saying he only has 50 rounds, prolly has a couple hundred dollar phone,,ipad,,nice suv, mcmansion, debt to his ears and hides his preps from his wife and kids who shove it off as "daddys" hobby.
Yeah im being a lil harsh, but its very real that you run into those types not only in person but also online.
Ive never understood it.
Admin has known me for awhile and im a cheap arse .but when it comes to certain things i drop the $$. For example. When i bought my AK. i didnt want any junk guns so i looked around and around..but while looking even before i bought my rifle..i bought mags (70$ for 12 mags at SG)..and i bought 3k worth of ammo..BEFORE i even had it, because prices where right.Heck when i bought my glock i did the same,,i bought the pistol,4 mags and 1k of ammo on spot,,,and then bought 1 k more not more than 60 days later because i knew i wanted to have the 1k down the pipe asap to get the gun broke in and me broke in as well....but still have that1k in reserve.
cheap and stack deep? just like food etc.
Thing is many just dont wanna spend the money on whats important but will spend it on other junk that makes no sense in the long term.

i guess im just annoyed as much as many about the mindset out there by many....wheres that easy button...

ammo was out there and it was cheap....a "prepper" should have stocked up when he could have..

[jimmycthemd]

Ok, not making excuses for those that've been at it a while. I've only been at it for about a year and have added a couple of guns to my inventory during that time...new calibers. I concentrated on food/water/medical/shelter for the first several months. The saying that timing is everything has never been more true. Just as I got some money set aside to buy some bulk ammo, things dried up. Too late to cry about it but I've been SLOWLY adding to my stores. I reload so I've been getting creative and buying once-fired brass and the supplies to reload my own. It's helped but nowhere near the 1k plus rounds for each caliber I was planning to buy. I have WAY more than 50-100 rounds for each but nowhere near what I want....working at it albeit slowly.

I haven't been able to do/take as much training as I need but, again, I'm working at it slowly.

I'm doing the best I can with what I have and can afford. Now, I hadn't thought about the using AirSoft for training for run/shoot...something that, even in the 'burbs' I can do in my fenced-in back yard. Have to invest a couple of $ in that (my son will definitely enjoy that :-).