Lights Out book -- brings up a what if question

[610Alpha]

If you have read Lights Out then you might remember this scene.

Mark and a couple of guys get into a shoot out with some thugs and kill/capture some. They send someone to go get the sheriff, he shows up 20-40 minutes later. Mark and Manny have to surrender the weapons that were involved in the shooting.

Would you surrender your guns if you didn't have any more and there by leave you and your family defenseless?

Fortunately Mark had an extra gun but not like the one he surrendered to the Sheriff (who says he will get it back eventually).

What if you were involved in a shootout in a similar situation of nationwide power outage. Would you go get the sheriff and risk losing your weapon?

[1Admin]

Got that book for Christmas. Couldn't get into it on the net, can't seem to get into it in print. I devour books twice that size in a short period of time so it's not the size of it. Might be an awesome book, IDK. I need to make myself read it.

From what you wrote though, I'm thinking zip tie them to a traffic sign, take their pants and shoes off (big psychological factor), take ID's if they have it, take a pic of them if possible, and leave a note about what happened. Some risks in that also, but that's life.

People often mistake how LEO's are going to react to them "doing the right thing." They are NOT going to look at you as a hero, congratulate you, etc. No sense in getting into a mess if you don't have to.

[tarheelsman71]

Got that book for Christmas. Couldn't get into it on the net, can't seem to get into it in print. I devour books twice that size in a short period of time so it's not the size of it. Might be an awesome book, IDK. I need to make myself read it.

From what you wrote though, I'm thinking zip tie them to a traffic sign, take their pants and shoes off (big psychological factor), take ID's if they have it, take a pic of them if possible, and leave a note about what happened. Some risks in that also, but that's life.

People often mistake how LEO's are going to react to them "doing the right thing." They are NOT going to look at you as a hero, congratulate you, etc. No sense in getting into a mess if you don't have to.

Book is good but not realistic at all. They tend to have just the right amount of luck to get through. In the book the sheriff is a "good" guy, but when WROL come to a place near you, I aint giving up shiznit. I have extra rifles...but I aint giving up nothing. I am not calling authorities, I would have taken that truck far away from my compound and dropped it off after dragging the bodies into the woods far away. If the situation (in the book) would have deteriorated any faster Mark wouldnt have gotten his rifle back.

[Edgemont]

It reminds of that dude in Idaho who shot a grizzly in his backyard and then was prosecuted for it. His kids were playing in the yard or something like that and he considered it self defense. When interviewed, the dude's Dad said that his son could have just buried the body of the grizzly and nobody would have been the wiser… But he chose to follow the "law" and was punished for it.
"Shoot, shovel, & shut up" is a saying I've heard. Good question.

BTW, I think the book sucked. It was weird and hard to get into. Seemed like it had some weird tree hugger message in it. Who would care about a forrest eating bug in the middle of a food crisis?

[protus]

And they Guy with money...large group...""""compound """"" is the place that's over run before the Hodge poshes Subdivision is......
Wrol. Shtf. Etc. Three S 's and junk like admin pointed out

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I'm for law and order but shtf the 3s are best to follow. Been a place or 2 of the 3rd world type where sSHhasTFand aint never seen the law show up or be civil bout it when they did and yes i know we are supposed to be better blahblahblah but get real, work through the OODA loop and handle your business. The difference between you and the karate man is you are supposed to be prepared

[Rmplstlskn]

Hard to answer, too many variables... All I can say is I will attempt to keep my defensive arms for as long as humanly possible...

Rmpl

[rockriver]

a good story..
and there's things that some of us newbies learn from them.

610's question will encourage me to get a second bb gun.

a tractor. they needed a tractor to break ground for gardens.
only needed one tractor for the subdivision..

i suspect most of us live in a subdivision or an apartment.
have you got your tractor secured?

admin, i think this was the story where they worked hard to get folks
practicing with the guns and other training. i figured you'd like that part.

[bcdallas]

I read the book and liked alote of it, made you think what would you do in that situation. there were parts that were not real world stuff but I chalked that up to artistic license. Overall I think from the authors point of view it was a good book. Do I think it would go down that way ITRW. NO.
But if you look at it from the context of trying to get you to think what would I do in that situation? Then yea it made me think.
Nothing that anyone else writes will satisfy what other people think of how to handle a real world situation, but if it makes you think then it has done what it should do.
Just my thoughts on the subject.

[WiseOwl]

If they wouldn't have had the Prepper boss with the magical bonus and entry to the secret squirrel club, it would have been more realistic.

I did like this book though don't get me wrong.

[1Admin]

a good story..
and there's things that some of us newbies learn from them.

610's question will encourage me to get a second bb gun.

a tractor. they needed a tractor to break ground for gardens.
only needed one tractor for the subdivision..

i suspect most of us live in a subdivision or an apartment.
have you got your tractor secured?

admin, i think this was the story where they worked hard to get folks
practicing with the guns and other training. i figured you'd like that part.

Well like I said at the beginning I never fully read it, couldn't get into it on the net, can't really get into it now.

Might be the most awesome book in the world, I don't know.

What does bother me about it is the ramifications of some of this fiction work. It can give people the wrong idea.

It wasn't long after this was first written that you started seeing people come with the "I'll be the savior of my subdivision" type thinking.

To me that's highly unrealistic for any number of reasons. I definitely don't think we should encourage things that give false hopes to people.

Dude sent me a free book with a similar theme to review here. I read it (guess I felt kinda obligated to), but in the "review" I made it crystal clear that the "savior of the subdivision" concept is BS.

That remind me-

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What's your number?

I'll start a new thread so as not to derail this one.

[610Alpha]

What does bother me about it is the ramifications of some of this fiction work. It can give people the wrong idea.

It wasn't long after this was first written that you started seeing people come with the "I'll be the savior of my subdivision" type thinking.

To me that's highly unrealistic for any number of reasons. I definitely don't think we should encourage things that give false hopes to people.

I read it (guess I felt kinda obligated to), but in the "review" I made it crystal clear that the "savior of the subdivision" concept is BS.

I caught the whole Poly Anna we'll pull together junk...It could give people a false sense that is for sure. You do a good job in your podcasts of refuting that notion of being the savior of the subdivision but I am sure there are some that still think that way.

[motesjm]

Ideally, you live in a small enough county that you can know your sheriff. You don't have to be bff's, but its nice to be able to call or meet a man before he's elected and ask a few questions to at least get a sense of what he's thinking. For those of us in rural areas that man has the resources to be an asset or a big thorn. Its a good idea to have some notion of which he's going to be in a SHTF situation.

In the book's setting (which I thought was a solid peice of fiction), and with my sheriff (who i think is a standup type guy), I'm taking the prisoner to the sheriffs department and talking to the Sheriff in person. This is of course contengent on having an operable vehicle and roads safe enough to travel. If I don't have transport and phones are down, and we have a dude in our posession that was just trying to kill us....well, it might be time for a local tribunal.

As for the gun, I don't think I'm giving it up unless the sheriff is going to provide me with an equal or better replacement.

[Rmplstlskn]

There is a movie a friend of mine directed about to be shown in the Canne's Film Festival called REMNANTS, that whacks up side the head the "Savior of the Subdivision" mentality... Most of it was filmed here in VA with many local shooters... The trailer is at the link, but as a financial supporter, I got the pre-release DVD and I enjoyed it a lot...

Rmpl

[WiseOwl]

There is a movie a friend of mine directed about to be shown in the Canne's Film Festival called REMNANTS, that whacks up side the head the "Savior of the Subdivision" mentality... Most of it was filmed here in VA with many local shooters... The trailer is at the link, but as a financial supporter, I got the pre-release DVD and I enjoyed it a lot...

Rmpl

I have been waiting on this one.
Last I heard they got a new deal and there was going to be a bigger studio editing.

I wonder if they have any for sale still?