Dept of Homeland Security Seeks 7000 Assault Rifles

[Flagwaver]

Hmmmm...... first the government stockpiles and distributes massive amounts of hollow point ammunition; then, they try to take away OUR Second Amendment rights; now, it appears the Dept. of Homeland Security is getting ready to arm their force with fully automatic assault weapons that THEY tell US are not necessary.

The following link is interesting:

http://www.reflector.com/greenville-news-board/dept-homeland-security-seeks-7000-assualt-rifles-1825997

WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE???????

[Grand58742]

Hmmmm...... first the government stockpiles and distributes massive amounts of hollow point ammunition; then, they try to take away OUR Second Amendment rights; now, it appears the Dept. of Homeland Security is getting ready to arm their force with fully automatic assault weapons that THEY tell US are not necessary.

The following link is interesting:

http://www.reflector.com/greenville-news-board/dept-homeland-security-seeks-7000-assualt-rifles-1825997

WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE???????

First, a clarification...that whole "stockpile" of ammo is a seven year contract. So the millions of rounds specified? Yeah, going to be purchased over the next seven years. Facts are obviously so not important to a good conspiracy theory.

Secondly, DHS isn't the one you should be concerned with. Try looking at your Senators and Congressmen who are willing to snatch your 2A rights away. And the President. Now you want to know the funny thing?

DHS who put out this contract also has some departments like the Coast Guard and Customs and Immigration. Not to mention the Secret Service as well. The kind of folks that probably could very well need automatic "personal defense weapons" if the need arose. Well, I suppose those Coast Guard guys and gals don't need to be well armed when facing potential threats on the high seas. And I guess those Border Patrol guys don't need anything more than a handgun when facing the evils that come across the border. They certainly don't need anything in the long gun realm for "personal defense weapons."

What's really going on here? People are trying to connect dots that are in no way, shape or form able to be connected. They choose not to try to figure the logical explanation out for themselves and would rather believe an inflammatory article and twist whatever happenstance items come along to fit their pet theory that the government boogyman is coming for them carrying a automatic personal defense weapon loaded with .40 caliber hollow point shells.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE!

[snarlbuckle]

Good explanation Grand. Thank you.

[Edgemont]

It's funny Grand, that you are soo Quick to jump on "conspiracy theorists" when it comes to anything tied to government crap, yet you're totally on board for "prepping"???
The folks who think I'm crazy because I'm "prepping" for financial calamity also think I'm nuts when it comes to my mistrust of the government.

It is completely illogical to trust the government's actions when it comes to "conspiracies" or "They're not trying to subdue or control us", or "potentially kill us" but then turn around and not trust them with finances. Why are you prepping? For natural calamity? Financial breakdown? Government takeover? If history is any indicator, then one would notice that there has been a HUGE amount of mass murder in this last century… Done by Government. Far more people have died at the hand of government than at the hand of starvation due to financial breakdown (which was caused by government as well!!!).
What about natural calamity? Have tens of millions died by natural calamity in the last century? I think not.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth or say that this is what you believe, I'm just trying to understand how one can trust the government on one hand yet not trust them on another?

What about the "founding fathers"? What did they have to say?
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty; when the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

Are you afraid of the government? No, you say?

[Benn Gleck]

Edgemont, there is nothing wrong with having a healthy distrust of your government.

Fear the government that fears your guns.

[jimmycthemd]

O.K...read my by-line. I don't trust the government much either. BUT, every time a government agency shows ANY presence for real or practice, there seems to be someone out there who jumps on the conspiracy bandwagon. I don't prepare for any single event. I prepare for life in general.

[Grand58742]

It's funny Grand, that you are soo Quick to jump on "conspiracy theorists" when it comes to anything tied to government crap, yet you're totally on board for "prepping"???

Okay, fair enough question. And yes, I sure might be quick to jump on conspiracy theorists, however, I know when there is a reason to be concerned over something significant and when it's just out there crazy like my ex girlfriends. To which I'll provide explanations.

First off, I'm on board for emergency preparedness because I got stuck in two hurricanes and a tropical storm in Florida when I was but a young man. Alberto, Erin and Opal, Opal being the worst. So here I am, completely unprepared to live in the aftermath, and depending on the government for assistance. Funny thing too? I happened to work for that very same government as a first responder. Getting one MRE a day and two liters of water. So I says to myself "Grand, you are an idiot for not having item X around when it's way easy to store it so you don't have to eat cold Spaghetti-Os and ration your water." So the formation of an idea took place in my mind and further developed over the years. A couple of blizzards in Colorado and Iceland started sealing up the deal for me as a growling stomach is a sure indicator that you aren't as prepared as you should be. Y2K introduced me to the online deal and I've gone from there.

It's not a huge jump from living through and being prepared for natural disasters and other emergencies to full scale "getting ready for the Russian invasion in survival mode with my olives and Rice Krispies." So yeah, I'm completely on board with it because there are far worse things than local natural disasters and emergency situations.

The folks who think I'm crazy because I'm "prepping" for financial calamity also think I'm nuts when it comes to my mistrust of the government.

I don't think you're crazy, makes far more sense and far more realistic than some of the reasons (Y2K and the whole Mayan thing come immediately to mind). And realistically, the financial thing gets completely overlooked in my opinion by many. But more on distrust later...

It is completely illogical to trust the government's actions when it comes to "conspiracies" or "They're not trying to subdue or control us", or "potentially kill us" but then turn around and not trust them with finances.

Do I believe in some conspiracies? Absolutely. JFK was one. Can't tell me someone didn't know something. But unfortunately for those that like to pour over the documents released from the USG, the truth will never be known and those that did know are all dead by now. You don't pull off something like killing a national leader and keep it quiet without cracking a few eggs. But the truth will never be known. Like ever. (cue Taylor Swift)

Now, do I trust the government as a whole? Somewhat. Most government workers are decent hard working people just like you and I. Politicians? Those I don't trust at all. And yes, there is a distinct difference. Do I trust the nation's military to do the right thing when push comes to shove? For the most part (and with good reason I might add). Do I trust the hand that wields us from time to time? Nope. And the difference in a government worker and a politician? Those in the trenches so to speak are generally apolitical or don't have much of a say. Now when you start getting to the upper levels where you can make important decisions, you start getting into the political game. And generally start lining yourself up with whomever happens to be be in power to get yourself to that next level. And in turn, become a politician. And that's when it can start to turn ugly.

So do I trust the "government" not to kill or enslave us? For the most part. Do I trust politicians to continue pandering to their constituency in order to continue getting reelected? Absolutely. Do I trust politicians to continue unabated spending in order to keep the welfare voters coming back to the booth and give them another two to six years? Without a doubt. Those in power are afraid to lose it. And in turn will push us to the financial brink (of which I think has already passed in my opinion) in order to enjoy the power that comes with the office.

Short answer? I do not trust politicians with finances, especially the current crop.

Why are you prepping? For natural calamity? Financial breakdown? Government takeover?

See above...and all of the above. Exception on "government takeover." We've already been "taken over" for lack of a better term. But it's the next steps that the current occupants in Washington do that are key. Restricting our rights even further in the current assault weapons ban? A slippery slope if it indeed gets passed, but I highly doubt such legislation will get passed. A more watered down version that isn't "so bad" in the eyes of the elected leaders? Probably could and might pass to include magazine restrictions. "Hey we defeated the major ban and had to give up something," will be the words they'll say.

And any ban will have to include enforcement. And that's where the situation gets dicey.

[QUOTE=Edgemont;51219] If history is any indicator, then one would notice that there has been a HUGE amount of mass murder in this last century

[eeyore]

I got this email from a friend that puts a little bit different slant on the article. If ICE enforcement needs them for personal defense, then why are they saying we dont need them for personal defence?

Homeland Security Wants 7,000 AR-15s For “Personal Defense”

While the feds are busy trying to find ways to ban semi-automatic weapons for civilian use, they’ve been buying them for themselves. New York State Senator Greg Hall, a Republican, issued a press release last week bringing this issue to light

General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP) on behalf of the Department of Homeland Security and member components such as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) seeking over 7,000 AR-15’s and matching 30 round clips.”

So, what’s the feds’ excuse? Well, these AR-15s are for “personal defense,” particularly for “use in close quarters.” Apparently, they’re really good for that. So, why can’t American “civilians” have them for personal defense use in close quarters as well? Because although all people are equal, some are more equal than others

Homeland Security continues to buy up all the ammo and guns while demonizing gun owners. They’ve already declared protests to be forms of low-level terrorism. So all those people marching in protest against gun control measures were committing low-level acts of terrorism according to DHS. But what about all those people protesting in favor of gun control? Those are just people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/...#ixzz2JOR1JZuG

[WiseOwl]

Alex Jones....lol


I found out on my camping trip over the weekend that I do probably the best Alex Jones impression on Earth.


I used to get caught up in these conspiracies. Bilderbergs, NWO's, Agenda 21's blah blah blah. Nothing I do in my house or community is going to make one bit of difference. You gotta just live life. Being paranoid about some sci fi movie plot is not a way to live life. You miss out on waaaaay too much stuff. Sometimes these stories seem real thick but once you look at it from common sense, it seems silly and there is "most of the time" a reasonable explanation.

Besides, if the .MIL or the .GOV wanted to come take your stuff, they would and you would not stop them. Goes for anyone.

[Grand58742]

Funny little part of that quote from the link. It doesn't go into all the details. The good Senator is in the New York senate, not the federal one. So the point he brings to the table about ordinary citizens wanting/needing these types of weapons is valid in New York. But on a nationwide scale except in those places where it is illegal, you can still get what you want within reason. Even short barrel rifles (personal defense weapons if you would) can be had as long as the appropriate paperwork is filed and the tax stamp goes through. This is one of those details that gets omitted in order to inflame the situation even further.

So yes, I can agree with his point. But...

If there is such an outcry over all this, why didn't more people show up in New York to vote the liberals out? Why didn't more gun owners show up to vote in the last election? 3,000,000 votes difference in Obama and Romney. And how many gun owners in the country? 100,000,000 estimated? And they were where on election day?

If New York wants change, they best start getting the word out and registering voters early. Come mid term election day, they should be hitting the polls in force and making their voice heard.

So again, we speak of details omitted, either on purpose or accident that inflame the situation.

[Flagwaver]

Grand58742 (7:46 p.m.): "Do I believe in some conspiracies? Absolutely. JFK was one. Can't tell me someone didn't know something. But unfortunately for those that like to pour over the documents released from the USG, the truth will never be known and those that did know are all dead by now. You don't pull off something like killing a national leader and keep it quiet without cracking a few eggs. But the truth will never be known. Like ever."

Grand58742, Well, hush my mouth! I can't believe you would dare to post a conspiracy theory on this forum. It's so maddening. I thought I was the only one who was guilty of such a crime. ;-)

[Grand58742]

Huge difference in a conspiracy theory that most of the known "facts" don't fit (JFK) and one where someone reaches for an improbable conclusion by finding the most obscure items and claiming the sky is falling (most of Infowars lol)

[protus]

wise,,ill lsay money down i got ya beat on the alex deal lol.

7000 rounds,mrapts or whatever they are, lil birds down city streets in more than one city this year..ammo..police wearing multicam and looking like call of duty wanna be's...no AR at sandy hook.....and a ship of greys coming to eat us...i dunno what to think,,,but at least the miami heat got to hang out at the white house.........

[Chief]

I think the point that is being missed is not is or isn’t a conspiracy theory. The point is it is to darn much. We have grown to except that our DHS is becoming a army, beholding to no one but the Govt. Next they are going to tell you they need drones flying over your home.. Uh wait never mind with that already happening. They will not be armed though, uh until they need to arm them. To protect you from the terrorists, question is who is there terrorists?

It is the death by a thousand cuts scenario. Hey DHS needs tanks, sounds reasonable. I don’t know, I wish I had the na

[610Alpha]

[QUOTE=Chief;51240]
It is the death by a thousand cuts scenario. Hey DHS needs tanks, sounds reasonable. I don