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    Got to church this morning and a warning had been issued by the local P.D. that some goon was making threats to shoot up a church today. Our pastor has a please carry your concealed firearm to church policy, so most of us felt fairly safe. Lot's of fire power sprinkled throughout the congregation. Some of the sermon was based on the real reason behind these recent murders. It's the basic sin nature of man, and how we so desperately need to be saved from that sin nature. I know that these things are just going to get worse, and more frequent. In the meantime be gentle as a dove, and wise as a serpent.
    God does not believe in atheists. Therefore atheists do not exist.

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    If there was more firepower sprinkled around more of society we would have a more comfortable feeling more of the time. Would it be bad if every school had at least one armed guard? He would not be there to govern children period. Just a guy thats head of security. Or girl. Might e a good job for a veteran returning from overseas. Already trained so to speak. Today's job market kinda bad for one with those particular skills. Just thinking a bit.

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    • #3
      Bet we don't hear anything about this on the news channels. God forbid the truth of the matter comes out. These idiots would think twice if they knew they were facing another if not more then one gun.

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      • #4
        my opinion... the only reason that churches, schools, college's and movie theater's are targeted by these idiots... Is they know that by law, they will face no armed opposition. Most of those cowards kill themselves before taken into custody after inflicting the most terror they can.

        jmho.

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        • #5



          Have at it
          You know what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like this?

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            And this too.........
            You know what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like this?

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            • #7
              Am I the only one wondering if I'm on the wrong side of this debate? I'm pro gun and seriously wondering if the assault weapons thing has gone too far. I like my guns, but lately it seems like every Tom, **** and Harry now has the ability indescribably kill dozens of people at the drop of a hat. No pre-planning, no hoops to jump through, just load up a few mags and head to the local school, theater, church or other crowded venue. Seriously, its way too easy for any psychopathic idiot to kill a bunch of people and society isn't very moral these days. Top that off with the fact that assault rifles are saturating our society as we speak, at such a rapid rate it’s the most frightening thing I’ve ever seen. They have been flying off the shelves for the past few years, and it‘s starting to catch up with us. The age of the mass shootings has begun in earnest.

              You can talk about cars and knives killing people too, but they have other purposes. Assault rifles really have only one function, efficiently killing lots of people. Again, I like my assault rifles, and would hate to give them up, but things are reaching a fever pitch with the mass killings lately and it doesn't seem to be looking any better in the future. Sometime I think about life in the distant future and if I will have been on the right side of this debate having been pro-gun. Will I be seen in the same light as Nazi supporters post-war, or as a higher thinker just looking out for the constitution.

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              • #8
                There is a reason these types of massacres only happen in gun free zones. The perps are cowards. If they thought there was anyone who might stop them, it never would have happened. I think the teachers should be armed.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MustangGal View Post
                  There is a reason these types of massacres only happen in gun free zones. The perps are cowards. If they thought there was anyone who might stop them, it never would have happened. I think the teachers should be armed.
                  Mustang, the day after this happened, legislators in Michigan tried to pass this but it was shot down. Sorry, bad pun... But it was vetoed right off the bat.

                  ETA: I don't think it will be long until many folks start breaking the law and carrying concealed in firearm free zones and the laws be darned... the criminals sure don't follow the laws, and the only ones who suffer are the law abiding citizens and their families.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WILL View Post
                    Am I the only one wondering if I'm on the wrong side of this debate? I'm pro gun and seriously wondering if the assault weapons thing has gone too far. I like my guns, but lately it seems like every Tom, **** and Harry now has the ability indescribably kill dozens of people at the drop of a hat. No pre-planning, no hoops to jump through, just load up a few mags and head to the local school, theater, church or other crowded venue. Seriously, its way too easy for any psychopathic idiot to kill a bunch of people and society isn't very moral these days. Top that off with the fact that assault rifles are saturating our society as we speak, at such a rapid rate it’s the most frightening thing I’ve ever seen. They have been flying off the shelves for the past few years, and it‘s starting to catch up with us. The age of the mass shootings has begun in earnest.

                    You can talk about cars and knives killing people too, but they have other purposes. Assault rifles really have only one function, efficiently killing lots of people. Again, I like my assault rifles, and would hate to give them up, but things are reaching a fever pitch with the mass killings lately and it doesn't seem to be looking any better in the future. Sometime I think about life in the distant future and if I will have been on the right side of this debate having been pro-gun. Will I be seen in the same light as Nazi supporters post-war, or as a higher thinker just looking out for the constitution.
                    I once saw a poster that said something like ‘A .300 win mag in your deer gun is X times more powerful than a .223, they’ll start plugging that fact a few days after they’ve took your AR….’

                    Being from the U.K I can certainly attest to that, semi autos were effectively banned here in 1988 after the Hungerford massacre, less than 10 years later came Dunblane and within months they’d banned handguns…

                    Sure we’re still allowed rifles and shotguns but they weren’t left alone by the successively tightening legislation over the last 30 odd years, until now the system in place are probably similar to what you lot have for class III machine guns.

                    Obviously Britain is an extreme example, but looking around the world most other countries aren’t much better, certainly I can only think of 2-3 out of 200 that have freedoms anywhere near those in the United States.

                    and yet despite all those restrictions in June 2010 Derrick Bird drove around Cumbria in his taxi and shot 12 (ironically the exact same number killed in Aurora) he didn’t have an ‘assault rifle’, just a .22 and side by side shotgun.

                    Of course for criminals getting a gun has never been easier....

                    Last edited by Triple-sod; 12-20-2012, 09:04 PM.

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=WILL;49823]Am I the only one wondering if I'm on the wrong side of this debate? I'm pro gun and seriously wondering if the assault weapons thing has gone too far. I like my guns, but lately it seems like every Tom, **** and Harry now has the ability indescribably kill dozens of people at the drop of a hat. No pre-planning, no hoops to jump through, just load up a few mags and head to the local school, theater, church or other crowded venue. Seriously, its way too easy for any psychopathic idiot to kill a bunch of people and society isn't very moral these days. Top that off with the fact that assault rifles are saturating our society as we speak, at such a rapid rate it
                      Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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                      • #12
                        People might read some of my posts where I have stated things like "they don't call TV shows PROGRAMMING for nothing." This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of that.

                        Hell man, we don't even have cable or TV service but I KNOW how the talking heads have spun this, and most of the post Will made, could have been said -and probably was said- by any number of TV talking heads. And the worse part about that sort of programming? People actually start to think the crap they regurgitate from the TV is THEIR OWN thoughts or feelings. Bull$hit. BS and very said state of affairs.

                        People wonder why I have said to all the "I don't have money to do anything" types to turn off your damn cable or Dish service- all it's doing is making you or keeping you stupid and it's giving the enemy the perfect entry way. We all think we are ready, guarding the gate, ready for come what may- yet we are letting the lies of the enemy and the enemy's agenda stream right into our living rooms. Worse than that, we are PAYING FOR IT.

                        The battle is first fought IN THE MIND. All the black rifles and related stuff is nothing
                        if we are nutless and cowardly and have already lost the battle in our MIND. Read Sun Tzu....

                        This is a HEART issue. "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?" Jeremiah's words not mine.

                        We took the Lord out of schools in the 60's and replaced Him with secular humanism. Secular humanism and moral relativism. Moral relativism is essentially the thought that if it's right in your eye's or if it "feels good" then it's o.k. No concept of true right and wrong. In the OT when it teaches that the people "did what was right in their own eyes" things like infanticide ran rampant. It's running rampant now, but we call murder of the helpless "choice."

                        We have raised several generations without the Lord, and for the most part, without real consequences for their actions. So (in their eyes) with no God, no consequences, no higher power to answer to, with a "if it feels good or is right to you" attitude, with no morals, of course this thing is going to happen. Mix in BS drugs designed to help people cope with regular life and their is a real problem.

                        Now.... the enemy will use the problems they have or helped create to their advantage, we have seen this. Getting sucked into their propaganda just leaves you open to compromise and eventually DEFEAT.
                        Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

                        Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

                        Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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                        • #13
                          Preach it!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 1Admin View Post
                            Now.... the enemy will use the problems they have or helped create to their advantage, we have seen this. Getting sucked into their propaganda just leaves you open to compromise and eventually DEFEAT.
                            I agree it's a moral issue, but it's also a gun issue. To deny it's a gun issue is almost laughable. High capacity assault rifles are a fairly recent phenomenon, and defiantly something that wasn't an issue when the constitution was written. So here we are in 2012 where hand grenade and bombs are illegal for private sale. It’s safe to say that most Americans, even NRA types, are pretty happy keeping it that way. Anyone here think it's a good idea to be able to purchase hand grenades at Wal-Mart? Yet by the letter of the constitution, we should be able to buy over the counter nuclear weapons. Obviously some horse sense has to come into play here and there's a balancing act between personal freedoms and the well being of society at large.

                            This isn't an emotional issue, it's not a TV propaganda issue, it's a real problem, happening right now. We have entered the era of mass shootings. I'm of the mind that common sense compromise is a very good idea in light of recent events nationwide. It's not a leftist conspiracy to rid America of guns, it's an active shooter epidemic that’s picking up momentum in America. I believe the answer is more CCW and less assault weapons. Maybe others feel differently, YMMV, but I'm sick of it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WILL View Post
                              Obviously some horse sense has to come into play here and there's a balancing act between personal freedoms and the well being of society at large.
                              Any time you leverage your freedoms against the "personal well being" of any political agenda, you end up losing your freedom. You start with just this, and soon they will be after that. And while they are at it, might as well get this and that. No large purchases of ammunition. No high capacity magazines. No magazine fed pistols since they can be fired rapidly. No auto loading rifles since they can be made into killing machines. THIS WILL NOT STOP AT JUST SO CALLED ASSAULT WEAPONS

                              And on a related subject, but not the same, look at the erosion of your Fourth Amendment Rights over the past twenty years. But we give in to that and let TSA perverts molest our children for "common sense security requirements" because of the "public safety."

                              And since when has any politician had "horse sense" when calling for massive across the board gun bans they have been calling for since 1994? This isn't horse sense you are talking about, it's knee jerk reactions to problems without any kind of logic or reason (props to Larry Elder).

                              Originally posted by WILL View Post
                              This isn't an emotional issue, it's not a TV propaganda issue, it's a real problem, happening right now. We have entered the era of mass shootings. I'm of the mind that common sense compromise is a very good idea in light of recent events nationwide. It's not a leftist conspiracy to rid America of guns, it's an active shooter epidemic that’s picking up momentum in America. I believe the answer is more CCW and less assault weapons. Maybe others feel differently, YMMV, but I'm sick of it.
                              So do me a favor Will. Collect up all your evil high capacity rifles and handguns, take them down to your local sheriff or police station and turn them in for destruction. I seriously wouldn't want you to be part of the problem at all. Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite by owning something you now have decided is bad. You can't have your cake and eat it.

                              And on the same token, I really don't want you as part of the solution either.
                              Last edited by Grand58742; 12-21-2012, 03:21 PM.
                              Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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