Prepper vs survivalist

[Rmplstlskn]

Well, how to reply? hhmmmmmm. I agree and disagree...

Some more commentary (as I have some time)...

I like ******'s comments on the other thread...
[QUOTE]I'm with you on the stigmatization of the world survivalist. As I said before, for me use either one, people feel more affinity with one word or another and its not always a reflection of how well or poorly prepared they are.
Why does "survivalist" sometimes carries a stigma about it? Because some people that claim to be survivalists sometimes are jokes, just check youtube. You'll find with little effort half a dozen "survivalists" that should worry more about personal hygiene and fitness than zombies. One guy I saw, he ROLLED, man I kid you not, rolled on a couch to get to his rifle. In his opinion he was well prepared. He didn't want to even hear advice about dieting to drop the extra 200 pounds of pure fat he had all over his body.
You find *** hats among the

[Hawkeye]

As soon as I figure out what I am, I'll let you know what the differences between those two are. Right now I seem to be somewhere in label limbo.

[protus]

As soon as I figure out what I am, I'll let you know what the differences between those two are. Right now I seem to be somewhere in label limbo.

poser would seem to fit :P LOL im kidding bro lol

[Hawkeye]

Been called that more than once..... along with weirdo, whacko, nutjob, wannabe, and a host of others, some that I wont even mention. ;)

[protus]

rmpl.
If you read the other thread you know i dont feel it is a "label" or semmantics issue.
I also agree that we are all on different levels of "prep".
But there is an effort by a group of folks to seperate/divide what is already there.

Your example of gay is a good one.
We have the "gay" community, a sub section of that community now whats to be called the " im confused and could not figure out who to date people"...they gather a lot of support becuase of the bad connotation that the word "gay" now has.....
this would cause some issues with in that community as whole correct?
That is what is happening to the survival movement imho. sorry to bring up gay talk lol

And like i said over at arf. In 10 more years we'll have another name for what we do, becuase "prepper" is now an evil word.
LD also had a good point- divided we all fall.......

my reasons for the thread were not argue or split hairs but to honestly get an answer from those who have accepted the term recently, on why they now use the term and why they feel the need to "re name" things.
About the only real answer has been because of the media sterotype least from what i can see.
( i dont see skill level or amount of preps a deciding factor if the person is new to all of this..)

[Hawkeye]

In all seriousness, I've never given either title much thought one way or the other. Just never occured to me.

[Lowdown3]

I think what Protus is getting it is the same thing that concerns me- the division whether REAL or IMAGINED that has come from this. I've witnessed it. I don't know if it's a self defense mechanism or what it boils down to. But it's a major kick in the butt when you go and help a bunch of people that SAY they want to be prepare, learn to survive, etc. and then get blasted for helping them. No one told them they needed to "sleep under a tarp" or learn ground fighting and no one made anyone work on a bowdrill. I offered instruction (for FREE, actually less than free when you consider my gas involved in a 5 hour one way drive) because these folks CLAIMED to want to know how to survive. Knowing how to make and use a bow drill is part of survival. Knowing how to protect yourself is part of survival.

I see a big part of the problem being not the skills already acquired, but the WILLINGNESS to learn, CHANGE AND ADAPT as the key difference between the two labels.

[Hawkeye]

I think what Protus is getting it is the same thing that concerns me- the division........

I know EXACTLY what your talking about, and have seen and experienced it myself. There is also a very similar division in the "gun owning" community as well.

[protus]

I know EXACTLY what your talking about, and have seen and experienced it myself. There is also a very similar division in the "gun owning" community as well.

bingo perfect example hawk.

Look at the arf thread so many are crying semmantics. when it isnt. If it was i would have laughed it off.
What me and LD witnessed at that camp out and what we have seen when on "prepper" forums is the willingness to not be open minded.

I will bet ya if i posted this over at that forum and some others that i wont name.. that i would be out right FLAMED for posting it.
I am half tempted to ....you know for science and all to prove my point.

[Hawkeye]

Personally, I think one of the problems is the same thing has happened here as in the general gun owning community. Folks look at guns, and survival, as a "hobby". Neither of them are. Both are very serious undertakings and the word "hobby" should never be associated with them....at least not among serious folks. Me, I'm pretty dang serious about both, and I dont have time for people who are into either simply for fun and games. Sure, both can bring enjoyment, but that is not their primary purpose. Those who view these two areas as "hobbies" have to come up with derogatory terms and labels to apply to those who are serious, so as to differentiate and seperate themselves. Thus, the "Prepper", "Survivalist", and other titles.

You'll also notice that folks who are serious minded, often get automatically accused by the "hobbiest" of WANTING things to go bad, so they can live out their "fantasy" and use all the supplies and equipment they have acquired. My experience has been that the more serious minded folks, both gun owners and survival minded folks, are the ones who openly and actively pray/hope that things NEVER do go bad. I've grown weary of arguing against the idiots in both camps, and anymore usually just ignore them.

[Rmplstlskn]

What me and LD witnessed at that camp out and what we have seen when on NEWER forums is the willingness to not be open minded.

I will bet ya if i posted this over at that forum and some others that i wont name.. that i would be out right FLAMED for posting it.
I am half tempted to ....you know for science and all to prove my point.

Wow! I never knew there was such a growing divide... Honestly, I have not noticed, but I have been busy with other things... not on the forums as much as I once was...

Rmpl

[Rmplstlskn]

But it's a major kick in the butt when you go and help a bunch of people that SAY they want to be prepare, learn to survive, etc. and then get blasted for helping them. No one told them they needed to "sleep under a tarp" or learn ground fighting and no one made anyone work on a bowdrill. I offered instruction (for FREE, actually less than free when you consider my gas involved in a 5 hour one way drive) because these folks CLAIMED to want to know how to survive. Knowing how to make and use a bow drill is part of survival. Knowing how to protect yourself is part of survival. Yet only 1 or 2 in a crowd of 20 really wanted to learn anything, and their efforts to learn were hampered by the other libtards. Then afterwards, Protus myself and a handful of others are made fun of for even trying to help them learn.

This sounds like a "training campout," what did they expect you to teach them? Seriously, I am curious what they expected? Did they just want to drive around on ATV's with rifles slung on their backs?

Rmpl

[protus]

This sounds like a "training campout," what did they expect you to teach them? Seriously, I am curious what they expected? Did they just want to drive around on ATV's with rifles slung on their backs?

Rmpl

no that would have require deffort....i think most were upset that room service didnt come at 10 Am with fermosa's and bagels./

[rockriver]

i go to several different geographical areas in my work.
at one, i see a gov't emergency type manager and his sec. pretty regular.
he thinks govt will take care of most problems, and then that doesn't work, then the men of the community will rise to the top.
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the sec. is 50ish and from a solid family and listens to us talk but doesn't say much. i play pretty dumb, (which is pretty accurate!)
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the last time,
she couldn't stand it and walked in the room with
"you better get a plan. ... the grid is going down... the evil religion is growing... and they want to kill us...
the currency is fiat money... there is a famine.... our county is broke.... bankruptcies are going through the roof...
most people are sitting there with their hand out....
we are headed to the farm. (2,000 acres) and we're working our plan...
and the family (several military types) knows when and how to get there."
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she made her point and left the room, then held her hand over her mouth and said. "i wasn't supposed to tell all that!"
what are they? preppers or survivalists?
let's assume they have physical preparations.
i think that qualifies them as preppers.
i think that on a scale of 1 to 10 as survivalists, they are at least a 5!

[Lowdown3]

This sounds like a "training campout," what did they expect you to teach them? Seriously, I am curious what they expected? Did they just want to drive around on ATV's with rifles slung on their backs?

Rmpl

Actually it was designed as a public campout for folks from that board. The owner had no idea how to get started with a get together, where to hold it, etc. so he asked me and I gave him the "Where's" and "hows." It was discussed numerous times and their was supposed to be other learning type events there, but in the end most backed out save a couple of us. More than a few folks showed interest online for these activities and they were NEVER put out as "you HAVE to do this" type of thing. And in truth, only about 4 people even came around for the bow drill class but most everyone watched the groundfighting demo- key word being "watched." The site owner there would ASK about pistol takeaways and I abliged him by showing some simple ones. No one showed any interest in trying any of them.

I wasn't expecting folks to get out and roll around on the ground, nor for everyone to get a fire going with bow drill, but these folks have expressed a DESIRE TO LEARN- at least they did online. But then in person, when it came down to it, they didn't. "Hey that's fine with me, if I've helped 2 learn something new than my work here is done" says I.

I think the overall problem is attitude. I think Proverbs 1:5 and 1:7 sum up the problem pretty well.

1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding..."

1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction."