EMP--Positive or Negative?

[Greg B.]

We have been prepping to wake up some morning and it's 1890 outside, or at best 1910. If the often worried about EMP occures, our preps are in line.

Would an EMP pulse be a bad thing or a good thing? This depends on a few variables, ie: who initiated it. If it was another nation state, it's bad. If it's a domestic issue, then it may have a silver lining. It could, potentially, be an equalizer by leveling the field, so to speak. All of the potential "bad guys" are so technology dependant as to be almost crippled without it. Yes, they would protect as much as possible from the pulse, but a great deal of the gear would suffer, just based on volume and ineptitude. Without IR and Night Vision, survival gets a lot simpler.

Comments?

[blackhawk]

IT WOULD BE A POS. SOME OF US REMEBER TRAINING WITHOUT ALL THE COOL TOYS.

[Grand58742]

We have been prepping to wake up some morning and it's 1890 outside, or at best 1910. If the often worried about EMP occures, our preps are in line.

Would an EMP pulse be a bad thing or a good thing? This depends on a few variables, ie: who initiated it. If it was another nation state, it's bad. If it's a domestic issue, then it may have a silver lining. It could, potentially, be an equalizer by leveling the field, so to speak. All of the potential "bad guys" are so technology dependant as to be almost crippled without it. Yes, they would protect as much as possible from the pulse, but a great deal of the gear would suffer, just based on volume and ineptitude. Without IR and Night Vision, survival gets a lot simpler.

Comments?

I'm curious as to who you are labeling "potential bad guys."

IR and night vision enhances survival techniques, not the other way around.

[Grantmeliberty]

No gas stations or grid would slow things down big time. Research woodgas generators for a workaround to that problem. Acorns are a great source of oil, easily used to power diesel systems. Both of these systems would provide energy after the grid has gone down. Personally, I have supply of gasoline set aside which I would plan to reserve for my chainsaw because if I have to go woodgas I would be doing lots of cutting and I haven't seen a converter to make my chainsaw run. On the other hand, a couple of good quality electric chainsaws are on my list which I could power from my solar charged batteries and an inverter. Lots quieter after the grid goes down and a sound signature only attracts trouble. I have thought about driving a saw with a hydraulic motor and hoses back to a vehicle running on woodgas. Light hoses with quick disconnects to the power steering system would provide another way of cutting wood.

[Grand58742]

ETA: An EMP burst would be a very bad thing. Nobody should ever want something bad to happen even if they are "prepared." None of us, and I mean nobody, is prepared for the aftermath of a collapse of society which would be sure to ensue as a result of the grid breaking down. No matter how well prepared you think you are, there is nothing that will be able to counter the shock to your mental faculties and the overwhelming violence that would happen in the short time afterwards. It doesn't take long for civil disobedience to break out in the aftermath of a disaster, much less if it was nationwide or even regional in nature. And frankly, those same devices you believe we would be better off without are crucial to stemming some of that disobedience (i.e. things like emergency services radios to include fire, police and medical) would be dead and there would be no way of stopping said disobedience before it started affecting the ones we care about.

In short, it would be medieval and the strongest would survive. And sometimes the strongest aren't who you want them to be. A la the Balkans or any third world craphole every time a regime changes. Everyone with a grudge to bear would be out "doing their part" since there is nothing and nobody to stop them.

Yes, it's a very bad thing.

[1Admin]

Very well said Grand.

I don't "want" anything to happen other than to grow old gracefully, tease and play with my grandkids, teach them to fight and be free, grow my own food, live in a free country and be left alone.

[Grantmeliberty]

As much as I would love to live out my life in peace with my children, I see extremely evil men plotting to murder innocents on a scale which makes Hitler, Stalin and Mao look small. When the global elite publish their plans in plain sight in a permanent form, that is granite monuments proclaiming their goals, it should get the attention of those who haven't taken a sleeping pill and zoned out.
This link to the Georgia Guidestones should stir up your blood a bit.

http://radioliberty.com/stones.htm

from the stones which I call satan's ten commandments:


THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Once you get past the genocide, abortions and eugenics of the first two commandments, the rest don't sound too draconian, so long as you don't mind giving up your sovereignty to a police state world government.

That said, we are in the midst of a battle between God and satan and we can either participate or bow out. If a massive solar flare leveled the playing field, it would weaken satan's organized forces and perhaps allow us to get back on track. That many will die is prophesied in scripture, and unfortunately I don't believe that we can prevent that. The best we can do is to prepare and as best possible take care of the widows and orphans when it hits.

[Greg B.]

How about the blue helmet "Globalists", or, if the election goes south, the "civilian army". I've got Warthogs and Chinooks wargaming over my head almost daily. The only targets, around here, that would be of any interest to A10s are bridges, overpasses and rail yards. If things go to hell, not everyone will be an oath keeper.

I agree with 1Admin, completely, but I felt that this was a conversation worth having.

I'm curious as to who you are labeling "potential bad guys."

IR and night vision enhances survival techniques, not the other way around.

Yes the IR and night vision is available on the open market. Except for a couple of rumored "hardcore poachers", I know of noone that has the $3K buy in, when the devices are stacked against other things.

[SeldomSeenSlim]

If life without any electricity is so good people would choose to live that way without an EMP. I've lived a long time on "a little" electricity. It suits me fine. But "a little" is a hell of a lot more than "none".

[Patriotic Sheepdog]

It would be a bad thing, no matter who initiated it. Let's say it was a domestic massive, total grid failure or a domestic nut job with the ability to cause an EMP. 90% of the population would be dead in 18 months or less. That's a lot of bodies...lots of animals eating bodies...lots of diseases...lots of diseases in lakes and streams where human remains might end up, lots of..well the list can continue. The Land here would be back in the 1800's without power. It would be likely that one or more countries take the opportunity to "help" restore America only to push their ideals on the survivors. The gangs and cartels would push through areas and rape and pillage like, well the 1800's. Even small groups trying to survive will be targets to these gangs which will have some form of organization from the get-go. They have fire power now with ammo stored I'm sure, and if not they will just gather as they go. An individual family would not have much chance, unless they could stay undetected for a long time. I'm sure NATO would come and help and the military would be helpful to some degree, but they would be hampered by the effects of the EMP as well. Our Navy vessels and overseas forces could come back here to help, but may take a while to get here.

Do we prepare for it. Well, I think we try to prepare for it but what will IT look like. I can only imagine and read what the experts say and look at how Third World Countries live. Can I fend off a small group of badguys? I hope so or at least make them think twice about attacking. But then what? Will they go get more help? Should I then bug out as they may be coming back tomorrow for revenge cause I took out two of their buddies and they want to know what I have? Things to think about. IR and NV, well they are expensive, but they are the number one force multiplier in my mind. Do I have a set of NV? No not yet, but I am saving my $$ for a set. I want to see someone sneaking up on my AO. I want to see how many are sneaking up on my AO. I want to see who is the badguy and who is maybe one of my group members. Nope, you can't eat NV so make sure you have your preps in order. But as soon as you can scrounge up the cash, they will make a huge advantage to your survival. Oh, I do know multiple members here on this forum that have NV.

As far as the PTB that might not be able to survive without the "grid" and what the grid gives us, well there will be others that will try and take there place.

Just some of my thoughts off the top of my head. Good topic for thoughts though. YMMV

[Matt In Oklahoma]

We have been prepping to wake up some morning and it's 1890 outside, or at best 1910. If the often worried about EMP occures, our preps are in line. Good deal

Would an EMP pulse be a bad thing or a good thing?Bad there is no good This depends on a few variables, ie: who initiated it.No it doesnt, i dont wish this on no one even them i hate(yes i know not supposed to hate, i'll answer for that later i reckon) but this is a no win horrible thing that no matter where will have global reprecussions If it was another nation state, it's bad. Could very well not have anything to do with "nations" in fact the most likely senarios being looked at have nothing to do with nationsIf it's a domestic issue, then it may have a silver lining. It could, potentially, be an equalizer by leveling the field, so to speak. All of the potential "bad guys" are so technology dependant as to be almost crippled without it. Yes, they would protect as much as possible from the pulse, but a great deal of the gear would suffer, just based on volume and ineptitude. Without IR and Night Vision, survival gets a lot simpler. A silver lining from the deaths of millions?hmm nope dont see it, cant see a silver lining in that at all, that would be the farthest thing from my mind

Comments?

If by some wild chance you are refering to the Good Guys like the LEOs and the Military, ya know the ones who use this technology more than anyone, then you will be in for a rude awakening. Electronics are not taught as the primary and are not the tested items in the leadership and specialty schools. Take the Army for instance, land nav including night land nav, is still done without NVG, GPS or anything but a flashlight and compass, which yes the emp will take out too, and my money would still be on them simply due to the amount of real training they do in night ops to include blackout. You can add nightfire, NBC, driving and MOS specific taskings to the list as well. Those that have served know all to well the sleep deprived exercises.

How about the blue helmet "Globalists", Wore a blue helmet, that is such a defunct organization is funny (yes i know ohh MIO is a traitor, had that discussion here before, didnt fly) or, if the election goes south, the "civilian army".What is that?(civilian army)I know your not talkin about the National Guard right? I've got Warthogs and Chinooks wargaming over my head almost daily. Good the military is doin their job which allows you to type things on hereThe only targets, around here, that would be of any interest to A10s are bridges, overpasses and rail yards. training targets can be anything to point a sight at and have no bearing on the given area of training If things go to hell, not everyone will be an oath keeper.When did you take the orginal oath in service?

I'm curious as to who you are labeling "potential bad guys." Bad guys are those who are bad guys now. The dream bad guys that are made up, well that remains to be seen yet as i've been hearin the same song and dance since the 80s and wouldnt ya know Americas Sons n Daughters havent turned yet

IR and night vision enhances survival techniques, not the other way around. True

Yes the IR and night vision is available on the open market. Except for a couple of rumored "hardcore poachers", Those are bad guys sure enoughI know of noone that has the $3K buy in, when the devices are stacked against other things.

So again who are the "Bad Guys" that have access to these?

[Grand58742]

I've got Warthogs and Chinooks wargaming over my head almost daily. The only targets, around here, that would be of any interest to A10s are bridges, overpasses and rail yards.

Ever hear of pre-deployment training? Maybe the 23rd Fighter Group out of Moody (which coincidentally has A-10s) could be training up for a deployment to the 'Stan. Or proficiency hours. Several innocent things besides scoping out targets in your AO. They are a high use aircraft over in Central Command and tend to do a lot of training over areas similar to the locations they will be deployed in. I recall seeing them several times flying through areas in Germany where there were no bases spinning up for a deployment over to Iraq. Probably the same with the Army's flying contraptions.

But actually, the A-10s tend to be close air support type aircraft. Bridges, rail yards and overpasses are tactical targets and more of Lines of Communications rather than targets generally struck by A-10s. Those tend to be targeted by F-15Es and F-16s since they have the precision standoff capabilities and generally have precision munitions of a GPS, laser or infrared guided nature. Also Navy F/A-18s....USAF B-52s and B-1Bs with GPS guided munitions...not your typical A-10 targets as they like to get down in the mud and stir things up around the infantry. I'm not saying the Hogs wouldn't be used in this capacity, but there are far more effective aircraft in that role in the inventory that would be considered first.

So actually, infantry forces would be of a concern to A-10s. That's their job is to provide close air support to troops in contact all while instilling the fear associated with that very aircraft. The 81st Aircraft Maintenance Unit of the 52nd Aircraft Maintenance Squadron (AMXS) had a motto "Fear the Hog!" and rightly so since it's a BAMF aircraft and just the thought of one bearing down on the enemy's behind is enough to make them want to pack it up and go home to momma.

Just a little info about the capabilities of some of the USAF's neater toys.

[rockriver]

very negative.

among many other things. i like my air conditioner and what it does.
i live in a hot humid area.

rr

[Sharpshooter]

ok so my question is A. who are you referring to as the bad guy? B. no prepper/survivalist would ever want a emp to happen. imo if you are " hoping for a emp then your probably least likely to survive". here is the other thing grand is on the money, predeployment training goes on all the time. i here it all the time so if you are worried abut that what are you hiding?

[Greg B.]

OUCH No, I'm not talking about the National Guard. 1968 I have a burning distrust of POTUS and those who pull his strings. He has threatened, in speaches, to reduce the Military (work in progress) and organize a civilian army.

It was mot my intent to step on sensitive toes. I wanted to start a conversation on this subject to learn and, perhaps develope some further plans.

"So again who are the "Bad Guys" that have access to these?" Contrary to your and my patriotism, it is not universal. There are those who go along to get along and those who want to be on, what they percieve, as the winning side. There are those who blindly follow orders without ever looking around. Look how the National Guard was used to bust doors and disarm people of legal weapons after Katrina. Don't say it can't happen, friend, 'cause it has.

No, I don't hope for an EMP.