I Have a Question

[Guest]

This is my first question on here and I want to be sure of the type of answer that I am requesting.

I am not soliciting opinions.
If anyone knows facts about what I am asking, I would be grateful .

Background: I am a long time survivalist with much field experience. During the past two months I visited several prepper groups in my(southern) state. These groups are part of the Deleted by Admin, NO BASHING OF OTHER FORUMS AS WE HAVE COVERED BEFORE (HQ in NYC) and follow their policies.

Every prepper group that I visited was divided into two groups by argumentation. The two groups were:
APNs- They were mostly from out of state, supported Obama and insisted that prepping was more of a hobby. They promoted all new members being trained by the federal government in CERTs etc. (FEMA). They want to belong to a federally sanctioned group.
Locals: (Like me) They were serious about learning to survive and were anti-Obama. They did not want any training from FEMA or other federal groups and mentioned INFRAGARD (the FBI informant group). They were also seeking a survivor group to join.

"organizers" refer to, alarm about forthcoming economic collapse (the main worry of the locals), as "paranoid." They kept shutting down people who tried to organize groups around that theme.

Does anyone on here know of an internet site that helps people find survivor groups which share their values, without prejudice?

[Matt In Oklahoma]

I have never found an internet site that wasnt full of nut jobs but networking in person is a better option IMO such as gunranges, martial arts, gyms or from general conversations with people. Of course there are alot of nut jobs, con artist and posers there as well too but given a small amount of time those colors will show. Some organization just want to buy things and pretend it will be ok. They are little more than sheeple with supply saddlebags.
Good Luck

[EX121]

I'm with Matt, I've never found an internet site except this one that I feel I would want to meet-up with them in real life. I know you said you didn't want opinions, but my advice is to just keep your ears open in your local area and you will be suprised at the liked minded folks you can meet.
While I wouldn't call it a group I do have several friends from our SAR group if the SHTF I could rely upon.

[tech]

Every group has it's own idiosyncrasies. A group to sort out groups would be no exception. You must sort out the one(s) which most closely relate to your mindset and make you feel comfortable interacting with them. No one can do that for you.

Perhaps you are just associating with the wrong crowds. Any group that is so closed-minded as to refuse training just because of its source is a mite suspect IMO. If you think that taking a .gov class is going to put you on a list, then you likely haven't done much prepping LOL. Regardless, education is a high priority in my book.

I've never encountered a pro-O prepper, nor a group affiliated with the APN that supported O (although I cannot say they don't exist). I strongly suspect there is much more to the alleged shutdowns than you have mentioned...or at least that was revealed to you.

BTW, welcome to S&P!!! Good luck on your quest.

[Grand58742]

I for one don't think politics should be a part of preparedness. No sense in worrying about who voted for who when you are looking at preparing for a disaster or worse. It's all about working together for the common good and politics should be taking a back seat. Take the tornado out in west Oklahoma yesterday. If I could help, I wouldn't be stopping to ask party affiliation before digging out a trapped person from a house. Preparedness is about helping each other survive and not worrying about politics.

Matt in OK and I have met. He wants to make sure his family is better prepared as well as others. Besides being a horrible shot :D I've learned a lot from him. But one thing that hasn't ever come up, at least that I remember, is politics. I could care less if he voted for Obama, Nader, McCain, Paul or a write in for Mickey Mouse. He has a sincere desire to better himself and his situation. And frankly, who cares who he voted for or votes for in elections. I know I don't.

This board has some (closet) Obama voters. Don't really care. It has die hard Ron Paul supporters. Not a big deal. It has the ABO (Anyone But Obama) crowd. Still not a concern. What does concern me is the knowledge they are both willing to share and receive. As long as they are open minded about bettering their situation, who cares what their political stance is?

Groups founded on political stances and "who voted for who" are ultimately doomed to failure. If you cannot get along easy enough in the good times, what's going to happen when it gets bad and the infighting gets worse? And who's to say FEMA doesn't give out good training? Their CERT classes are a pretty good idea and work pretty well. A good prepper trains for emergencies and disasters. A great prepper gets training from whatever source they can and molds it into their lifestyle, attempts to find like minded people for a network to fall back on in case of emergency and helps train others.

I'm sorry you got my opinion on the matter rather than a substantiated fact, but I don't think there is an answer to your question about a central internet database of preppers that are anti-Obama, anti-FEMA, stand on your own without prejudice (which is a contradiction I won't go into) groups. You have to make the ultimate decision on whether or not a person or group fits your ideals. Or start your own group which holds the same ideals as you do. But you get enough alpha dominant folks around in a group with widely varied opinions and I can flat guarantee you there will be conflict. There is no such thing as a rainbows and unicorns everyone gets along group. There will be diverse opinions, deep set convictions and rock steady beliefs on how something should be done. In short, people will be people and will speak their mind when it comes to what they believe.

I wish you the best of luck as well and hope you can find what you are looking for.

[protus]

Does anyone on here know of an internet site that helps people find survivor groups which share their values, without prejudice?

youhave to go to meets and greets and camps.
Lose formed internet groups (APN or whatever ) are just that. just some dudes from the web that talk.....

you want to know folks values etc , best way is in person and over time.

FWIW there are very few REAL survival groups out there.
YMMV

[1Admin]

Kurt,

You have to understand that TO A LOT OF FOLKS, preparedness will be nothing more than a PASSING FAD. Eventually, the economy is going to get better. Eventually, we will get the socialist out of the White House. When that happens, look for a large drop in traffic at sites like that.

You've dropped the name of that site several times in the small number of posts you have here. We don't encourage or tolerate forum bashing here. I'm not at all impressed with that site either nor the caliber of quite a few of the people there- (some of the WORST SPAMMERS we have had here are big "ta doos" on that site), but we try to refrain from naming specific places like that.

And oh YES their are most definitely liberals that prepare.

Hang out for a while, get to know people, let people get to know you a little bit. That's generally the first "baby step" when the discussion revolves around 'groups.'

[1Admin]

Kurt,

You have to understand that TO A LOT OF FOLKS, preparedness will be nothing more than a PASSING FAD. Eventually, the economy is going to get better. Eventually, we will get the socialist out of the White House. When that happens, look for a large drop in traffic at sites like that.

You've dropped the name of that site several times in the small number of posts you have here. We don't encourage or tolerate forum bashing here. I'm not at all impressed with that site either nor the caliber of quite a few of the people there- (some of the WORST SPAMMERS we have had here are big "ta doos" on that site), but we try to refrain from naming specific places like that.

And oh YES their are most definitely liberals that prepare.

Hang out for a while, get to know people, let people get to know you a little bit. That's generally the first "baby step" when the discussion revolves around 'groups.'

Kurt, gave you a little time to edit your direct reference to that other forum out of your post. When you didn't I edited it out for you. We don't allow bashing of other forum's here. Not that some don't deserve it, but that it's just not something we want to become known for. I'm not particularly enamored with that site also, nevertheless, their is a difference between speaking in generalities and specifically mentioning the place and using tags with the places name in them.

[Bearman202]

I agree with Grand. I care less about politics than I do about personal values. I've met people of both dominant political parties that I wouldn't let within a mile of my location if things got bad, and both that I would welcome with open arms. Keep in mind that politics are used to divide, not to bring together. I appreciate this site for NOT having political junk on it. If a doctor shows up at your retreat, are you going to reject him or her because of their stated political affiliation? I'm not. I'll go even further. I have met plenty of decent, upright people of color, and have met a corresponding number of white people I wouldn't sit down with to have a meal. In fact, probably more of the latter, because there are more of them. I'm not saying to not be careful, because that's just plain ole common sense, but I am saying that you can't judge someone by the flag they're waving. A lot of the problems we're experiencing now is the direct result of "patriotism" as professed by the people who are robbing us blind. As Grand said, let's leave the political stuff somewhere else, and teach me how to store them pintos so they last longer. That's why I'm here.

I almost forgot to throw out a HUGE thank you to 1Admin and his co-conspirators <G> for keeping this site the way it is. We don't need other site bashing, because we can make our own decisions about that if we want. 1Admin et. al. are keeping the focus where it needs to be, and I appreciate that. Thank you.

[jimmycthemd]

I've got to 'ditto' what Bearman says. I hung out and read a lot of other sites before joining this one. So far EVERYONE has been VERY courteous and understanding of my lack of knowledge and also very willing to share their experiences with me. I also agree that it's not where people have been that's the deciding factor in whether or not I'd help them in an emergency...it's where they are now and where they're choosing to go. We have friends from all backgrounds and ethnicities and would welcome those that were willing to add value (material, know-how or spiritual) in a PAW world or emergency situation.

[brokedownbiker]

I think Grand covered the subject pretty well; I will add that without face to face contact with the people you are trying to network with, you will never be able to build the most critical quality that all successful groups share- trust. You have no way to confirm the info or advice that you are given, all will be simply words.

Without FTF meetings, true relationships cannot be formed and the transfer of real hands-on skills can't happen, much less being able to determine if the values these faceless people are espousing are the values that they are living.

The internet is a valuable tool but it is not, IMHO, the place to go to meet people with whom you will be entrusting your survival, and that of your loved ones, in rough times. I'm not saying you can't find them, just that it is a much riskier proposition.

This site is certainly the closest I've found to what you are looking for, which is why this is my primary prepping site- and I have been on LOTS of the others. The folks that run this site don't force their opinions on you and allow everyone to speak their minds, as long as it remains civil and fair. If you get banned here, you earned it- no doubt about it.

[WiseOwl]

You got that right^^^^^
Trust is it!

I dont care if any of you folks cant shoot or have any skills, in a survival situation if I can trust you and your judgement, your ideas, your respect and opinion, its good. If you are Prepper o da Year and are as shady as a shade tree, I wish you farewell.

[BioG8r]

Wise Owl is living up to his name. Great insight!

[Kurt]

My own experience is different from a lot of you. I known that obama and his zombies are successfully destroying the USA and I do not forgive them for that! People who support Obama will never get along with the rest of us. I certainly will not be in any survival group (brought into existence by the obama regime) where pro-socialists are present. I have been forced to look a horrible future in the face by Obama and his ilk. I have no respect or sympathy for those who support him, supported him and changed their minds, or are keeping it in the closet. At the same time I have contempt for those who say, "its not obama or the leftists, lets survive together. "I say NO! I will not help the communists survive so they they can make another bid to enslave me. Those of you who believe only what the media tells you will be against me for saying this. So be it.
If anything can be gained from our hellish future, it is the hope of (ADMIN EDITED) GETTING HIM OUT OF OFFICE -obama and his supporters from any control in a future land of the free. WATCH THE WORDING VERY CAREFULLY PARTNER, NO ONE LOVES SOCIALISTS HERE BUT CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CORRECTLY AND USE YOUR BRAIN OR FIND THE DOOR. LAST WARNING. 1ADMIN

I will not go through what we have been forced to go through, and then settle for another obama regime or anything similar to it, when the smoke clears.
Those who minimize ideology and politics, and the rights of white people, got us into this fix. They will never control my children's life again. I view all who dismiss politics as subversives. As a person who has fought socialism/communism all my life, in and out of the military, I will not submit after they have destroyed the Constitution.
So you who "accept" communism and afrocentrism I see as part of the problem. It's always the pro-obama people who bring up the point: "you have to live with us." It's also a threat on most forums. You either go along with the obama zombies false conciliation or you get thrown off. I am a free man. If you say something political that I disagree with, I will tell you. Do not expect me to congratulate you for being "wise." I see you in an opposite light.
I am a Christian too. Anyone want to start telling me that I have to live in a place where Christians are not free, then I say I will not let you enslave me no matter what "conciliatory" words you mutter.

[1Admin]

Once again I am forced to edit a post of yours, this time editing out what some might consider a threat to an elected official.

Speaking for myself and probably the majority of the forums here- NO ONE LOVES OBAMA HERE PARTNER.

However your "OPSEC OPSEC OPSEC" talk conflicts GREATLY with the very poor choice of words that I edited out of your above post that could have brought "interest" your way from any number of sources. Let's not forget this is the INTERNET and everyone and their brother can read what you write. You talk of opsec on one hand and then write things like that on the other- not at all smart and makes people think you are not what your claiming to be. I'm guessing this is how you got banned from that other site you keep complaining about also?