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  • Independant Thinking on Trigger Events

    Have we lost the ability to think for ourselves?
    The recent fires in Colorado where people called 9-1-1 because they saw flames and smelled smoke but were TOLD it was a controlled burn, no worries. Some of these people later died. Don't sit at your house and make a call, get in your vehicle and go look for YOURSELF. Decide for YOURSELF what course of action you need to take for the safety of you and your family. Had they been in their vehicle and drove down to see they would have lost everything BUT their lives instead of everything. That dispatcher knows less than you do because they are far away in a building somewhere with no windows.

    DO NOT wait on the weatherman to say take shelter, if you are truly a survivalist (defined as one who wants to live) then you should hear that announcement from your storm shelter, basement, bathtub, hallway from under the mattress wearing body armor, motorcycle gear, kitchen pans etc listening on your emergency radio.

    As the highways clog from evacuation from the incoming hurricane you should be watching it on TV from your pre-dertermined retreat location stating to your spouse "boy glad we aint in that mess are the hotdogs bout ready, I'll tell the kids to wash up from playing Frisbee". That is a Survivalist.

    When the car wreck happens and everyone is still holding their I-phones going "OMG" and you have moved the parties to the side away from the danger and organized triage and begun treatment from a small bag kit and you look like a garceful swimming swan while your heart beats fater than a hummingbird then you have arrived not waiting an an ambulance driver to think for you.

    When you are at the mall, movies, ball game, church and the "fireworks" start popping and people are looking at you weird because you are pushing your family thru an emergency exit with a handgun drawn then the lemmings will know the seas and you will live to tell the tale.

    I know LD3 has covered these trigger events in the podcasts and discussion before but it is abundantly apparent that the rant needs to continue.
    Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

  • #2
    Once again a great post. Because of the sudden storm you pull a warm coat out of your GHB that your friends have kidded you about for years carrying, and allow yourself a mental I told you so. Giving a can of fix a flat & having an air compressor so your friend can get out of the woods because they had 2 flat tires on one trip because he can't afford new tires but can send his kids to Tathiti for spring break. While not of the same seriouseness as Matt's examples I think beaing peapeared for daily small events allows you to develop the mental ability to react to the big events and thus makes you a better survivor.
    Survival question. What do I need most, right now?

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    • #3
      This is another example of people not thinking for themselves.



      "When a storm has the potential to cause "significant" damage, meteorologists may include terms such as "major house and building damage likely," "complete destruction possible" or "major power outages in path of tornado highly likely.""
      Because people cant think for themsleves when you say there is a tornando coming. It's a mile wide 200mph wind DUH moment and they still dont get it.
      Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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      • #4
        MIO- Just a point of ettiquette here, The term ambulance driver is quite offensive to those of us who are Paramedics. I hate to sound snarky but I went through 1500 hrs of training to earn that title. Just saying.

        Anyway, to address your original topic, I was at the firehouse one day when the non-emergency line rang. The caller was reporting a fire alarm going off at his location. I advised him to to evacuate the building and that we would be responding. He then stated, "I don't think its an emergency, there's not that much smoke in the hallway." I was taken back a second then I ordered him out of the building an he complied. Turns out, the apartment below him had a kitchen fire.

        I am always surprised by people, when hit in the face with obvious danger, fall back onto the "this can't be happening" mindset.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Matt In Oklahoma View Post
          Have we lost the ability to think for ourselves?
          The recent fires in Colorado where people called 9-1-1 because they saw flames and smelled smoke but were TOLD it was a controlled burn, no worries. Some of these people later died. Don't sit at your house and make a call, get in your vehicle and go look for YOURSELF. Decide for YOURSELF what course of action you need to take for the safety of you and your family. Had they been in their vehicle and drove down to see they would have lost everything BUT their lives instead of everything. That dispatcher knows less than you do because they are far away in a building somewhere with no windows.

          DO NOT wait on the weatherman to say take shelter, if you are truly a survivalist (defined as one who wants to live) then you should hear that announcement from your storm shelter, basement, bathtub, hallway from under the mattress wearing body armor, motorcycle gear, kitchen pans etc listening on your emergency radio.

          As the highways clog from evacuation from the incoming hurricane you should be watching it on TV from your pre-dertermined retreat location stating to your spouse "boy glad we aint in that mess are the hotdogs bout ready, I'll tell the kids to wash up from playing Frisbee". That is a Survivalist.

          When the car wreck happens and everyone is still holding their I-phones going "OMG" and you have moved the parties to the side away from the danger and organized triage and begun treatment from a small bag kit and you look like a garceful swimming swan while your heart beats fater than a hummingbird then you have arrived not waiting an an ambulance driver to think for you.

          When you are at the mall, movies, ball game, church and the "fireworks" start popping and people are looking at you weird because you are pushing your family thru an emergency exit with a handgun drawn then the lemmings will know the seas and you will live to tell the tale.

          I know LD3 has covered these trigger events in the podcasts and discussion before but it is abundantly apparent that the rant needs to continue.
          Very good post. Thanks

          Jimmy
          Try not to be someone's PITA, life will treat you better.

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          • #6
            Well said, +1
            Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

            Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

            Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fido View Post
              MIO- Just a point of ettiquette here, The term ambulance driver is quite offensive to those of us who are Paramedics. I hate to sound snarky but I went through 1500 hrs of training to earn that title. Just saying.
              In any case, "ambulance driver" is a lot better than "ambulance chaser." Just kidding, I get your point, and I was unaware of that term being used enough these days to get under paramedics' skin, so i imagine Matt didn't, either.

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              • #8
                There's a billboard outside of town that warns people not to touch downed power lines. I don't know what worries me more. The fact enough people got themselves killed grabbing onto high voltage lines that someone thought to make a sign or that there are people that sign has helped and they're now wandering around town.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SeldomSeenSlim View Post
                  There's a billboard outside of town that warns people not to touch downed power lines. I don't know what worries me more. The fact enough people got themselves killed grabbing onto high voltage lines that someone thought to make a sign or that there are people that sign has helped and they're now wandering around town.
                  My personal favorite sign was found on a pull down towel dispencer, (one of the cloth types) that said, "Do Not place head through the towel loop". You know somebody did this and accidently choked themself to death or it wouldn't be on every one of them !

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fido View Post
                    MIO- Just a point of ettiquette here, The term ambulance driver is quite offensive to those of us who are Paramedics. I hate to sound snarky but I went through 1500 hrs of training to earn that title. Just saying.
                    Meant no disrespect, in fact you all have saved me one time, apolgies for that
                    Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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                    • #11
                      Most people don't. I 'm just sensitive to it though due to nurses using it to get under our skins. Thought I'd use this as a teaching moment.

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                      • #12
                        If you want a good book to read which explains a lot of human behavior in emergency situations, read "Blaze, the forensics of fire" by Nicholas Faith. Gives you a good look as to why people behave the way they do when things go south.

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                        • #13
                          What is especially sad in the CO fire scenario is that the Lucas' (the elderly couple that died in their home) were "prepared"; they had their fire BOB's, foam retardant for their home and a "plan". Mr Lucas called 911 and when told there was a "controlled" burn in the area he pointed out the fact that there were 75+ MPH winds. They should have left the house right then and there but who knows what made them stay. Had there not been the winds that day, I would say these folks were just too complacent with the regular burns; but then if there hadn't been the winds the fire would not have exploded the way it did. Our fire seasons are BAD! And our wind has been crazy lately, There is no such thing as a "controlled" burn with winds that strong and with as little snow as we have seen lately. It is terrible what some of these people put their families through (by waiting)....have any of you seen the video of the family that videoed their escape? http://photos.denverpost.com/mediace...rk-fire/32725/ Crazy. We have separate BOB's for instances such as this; knowing that we have very little time to leave the house but knowing it is not a situation that will leave us unable to obtain supplies elsewhere.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fido View Post
                            Most people don't. I 'm just sensitive to it though due to nurses using it to get under our skins. Thought I'd use this as a teaching moment.
                            ok, dunno anything bout nurses, was just saying dont wait on someone to tell you what to do, act
                            Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

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                            • #15
                              Matt you are forgiven. I was just protecting my professional pride.

                              Virtual hug coming your way Brother!

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