British and Israeli Intellegency disagree with U.S. Report

[monkeybird]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/01/on...ttack-america/

The most recent U.S. Intelligence Estimate, which represents the consensus of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, concluded that Iran, while continuing research that could enable it to build a nuclear weapon, has not sought to do so.

That conclusion, first raised in a 2007 National Intelligence Estimate that said Iran halted its work on nuclear weapons designs in 2003, ignores evidence provided by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in November that Iran had conducted experiments consistent with the development of a nuclear warhead.

The British and Israeli intelligence services also disagree with the U.S. intelligence report.

It never ceases to amaze me at the level on ineptness of the Obama Administration. It also amazed me that no news organization in the U.S. is shouting this information from the rooftops. I don't live in fear, and I don't believe in fear mongering, but when the winds of war are blowing and no one pays attention, we're all doomed.

Please forgive my rant at the choir. When people need to be listening to knowledgeable survivalist and preppers, we're given "Doomsday Preppers", which in my mind is mockery of serious people who are trying to prepare for the obvious.

[1Admin]

Amen and amen.

Never underestimate people's ability to delude themselves.

[brokedownbiker]

I used to believe that it was ineptness on the part of our governmet but recent events have got me to thinking that it concious intent to allow an attack orsome big event that will be used to tighten control over the population.

Sounds tin-foil, I know, but there is just too much being ignored for it to be simple incompetence, IMHO.

[saeb]

They know what is going on they just don't want to acknowledge it to the public. So the question is why not? Kind of unnerving when you think about it. I would believe the Israeli intelligence.

[nakattack]

its pretty simple really, the usa can't afford another war at this stage. plus the military is worn down after 10 years of warfare. i'll be honest i don't want to go to war with iran. its easy to beat the war drum if your not in the service but a war for me would mean i'd be stop lossed, deployed for god knows how long, possibly die a horrible death, and very good chance i'd see one of my friends die not to mention my marriage wouldn't last another deployment. Iran having nuclear weapons sounds like more of a isreali problem anyway, let them deal with it. I know some of you are going to say, well what if terrorists get them and detonate it on american soil. true a possibility but no government no matter how backwards would do that because nukes are very easy to trace, they all have their own fingerprint if you will and Iran might score an easy victory at first but be completely destroyed in the end. Remember its easy to cry out for war but young men will be fighting and dying thousands of miles from their home in misery while other people shout their patriotic rehtoric from their living rooms, maybe send a care package. I'm not trying to belittle anyone or anything like that and if the order goes out for war and i am sent again, for my fourth time i'll go, but is invading Iran really something that this country needs to do right now? What are the benefits? do they out weigh the costs? do we really need to play world police again?

i guess im just tired of war, tired of fighting, and tired of seeing my friends die while we lose our wars through political appeasement and i don't think if we invade iran it will be any different there.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

its pretty simple really, the usa can't afford another war at this stage. plus the military is worn down after 10 years of warfare. i'll be honest i don't want to go to war with iran. its easy to beat the war drum if your not in the service but a war for me would mean i'd be stop lossed, deployed for god knows how long, possibly die a horrible death, and very good chance i'd see one of my friends die not to mention my marriage wouldn't last another deployment. Iran having nuclear weapons sounds like more of a isreali problem anyway, let them deal with it. I know some of you are going to say, well what if terrorists get them and detonate it on american soil. true a possibility but no government no matter how backwards would do that because nukes are very easy to trace, they all have their own fingerprint if you will and Iran might score an easy victory at first but be completely destroyed in the end. Remember its easy to cry out for war but young men will be fighting and dying thousands of miles from their home in misery while other people shout their patriotic rehtoric from their living rooms, maybe send a care package. I'm not trying to belittle anyone or anything like that and if the order goes out for war and i am sent again, for my fourth time i'll go, but is invading Iran really something that this country needs to do right now? What are the benefits? do they out weigh the costs? do we really need to play world police again? i guess im just tired of war, tired of fighting, and tired of seeing my friends die while we lose our wars through political appeasement and i don't think if we invade iran it will be any different there.

Alot of us feel the same way you do and no one wants it that knows the true cost. It's just a discussion not an ultimate goal. Hopefully things will even out, hang in there, keep your head up and on a swivel troop till the final RR

[nakattack]

oh im tracking about the discussion thing, didn't mean to sound defensive or condesending or anything like that. its just hard for me to get behind the idea of war with Iran right now. it won't be a quick war, it will be slow and painful.

[monkeybird]

My fear is not that the U.S. will invade Iran, as I too am sick to death of Iraq and Afghanistan. My fear is the crazy man running Iran will initiate a first strike against Israel and targets in the U.S. The Russians have already sold him the ballistic missiles capable of doing this. I have no idea how to stop it, perhaps covertly. The real worry is the instability in the world and countries - India, Pakistan, N.K. all seemingly willing to use nuclear weapons.

Current information suggest we might all benefit from some refresher information on dealing with nuclear fallout.

[nakattack]

ah my bad then, i understood it as if you were saying we should go to war with iran. i'd be more worried with instibilty in Pakistan then with Iran though, hard core taliban and fundamental terrorists control their border region. federally controlled tribal area i think they call it, right now they're crossing the border and fighting coalition forces, when the war ends they'll no doubt turn on the pakistan government. i'm much more worried about muslim fanatics who are not aligned to any government seizing those weapons if a civil war/ collapse of government happens in pakistan.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

ah my bad then, i understood it as if you were saying we should go to war with iran. i'd be more worried with instibilty in Pakistan then with Iran though, hard core taliban and fundamental terrorists control their border region. federally controlled tribal area i think they call it, right now they're crossing the border and fighting coalition forces, when the war ends they'll no doubt turn on the pakistan government. i'm much more worried about muslim fanatics who are not aligned to any government seizing those weapons if a civil war/ collapse of government happens in pakistan.

That defintely an issue for sure, same as in Russia and outlying areas with their weapons and instability. Some here want to go to war with iran but right now there are still other ways and most do not want to be drug into another war.

[miked2345]

I've heard several "People in the Know", some current and former gov't and military, say that all it will take is one wackjob country, putting a nuke on a cargo ship, and shooting it from the Gulf of Mexico, over the U.S.... EMP.

It's not hard to believe that Iran or one of it's allies would try this, to take out Israel's biggest ally.

[monkeybird]

i'd be more worried with instibilty in Pakistan then with Iran though, hard core taliban and fundamental terrorists control their border region. federally controlled tribal area i think they call it, right now they're crossing the border and fighting coalition forces, when the war ends they'll no doubt turn on the pakistan government. i'm much more worried about muslim fanatics who are not aligned to any government seizing those weapons if a civil war/ collapse of government happens in pakistan.

That's terrifying. The U.S. keeps saying they are 'helping' with security for Pakistanis nukes, but since we can't seem to protect out own personnel there, what exactly is the plan for keep those nukes out of terrorist hands?

[WiseOwl]

Did anyone hear on the news that Israel said they are going to hold off from attacking Iran until after the 2012 elections? HA!

[nakattack]

im actually positive right now pakistans nukes are secure simply because the pakistan government wants to keep them incase of war with india but that would change if a civil war destabilizes that country. if you look into it, those border provinces of pakistan are not controlled at all by the pak government. pak mil has tried numerous times in the past decade to push into that area and has always been turned back or left shortly after reaching their objective. its controlled by the tribe that lives there, the pashtu which tribal lands are split between afghanistan and pakistan. the pashtu tribe was the tribe that the taliban where first created in and who probably contribute the most fighters to the anti coalition forces. Karzai is from the pashtu tribe as well. its just one big ball of trouble that area and in my mind far more dangerous to America then Iran.