DETENTION OF CITIZENS

[monkeybird]

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/31/wi...n-of-citizens/
Well, the law to allow the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including American citizens arrested in the United States, without charge.

After reading the Homeland Defense's definition of "domestic terrorist' I guess any of us could be detained. Imagine being arrested and kept in custody without charge and without benefit of due process. Sounds like a similar law enacted in Nazi Germany just after Hitler came to power.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Where did you get the DHS definition?

"Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85). "

Did you have something else that you read MB?

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Sounds like a similar law enacted in Nazi Germany just after Hitler came to power.

Many of our policies are heading that direction, including "Preemptive Stricks/Attacks". I hate to say this and it sounds like a I am crazy but after reading what the Nazis did before the war, how they did it and how they "sold" the new "laws" and actions to the German people it all looks very similar to what our government is doing now. I feel we are being setup to be the "Germany" of WWIII.

[crossbow]

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/31/wi...n-of-citizens/
Well, the law to allow the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including American citizens arrested in the United States, without charge.

After reading the Homeland Defense's definition of "domestic terrorist' I guess any of us could be detained. Imagine being arrested and kept in custody without charge and without benefit of due process. Sounds like a similar law enacted in Nazi Germany just after Hitler came to power.

exactly right and only one candidate has spoke about that law and promised to repeal that law and the Patroit Act .

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

exactly right and only one candidate has spoke about that law and promised to repeal that law and the Patroit Act .

But the Media says he "can't" win... Well I don't care if he can win or not... I am VOTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!

[monkeybird]

Matt, I based my statement about domestic terrorist on the above information. That sounds scary to me.

Below is a link to the memo from the DHS.
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

@Matt

Not only that but now if you look into AUMF and NDAA 2012 you will see where they have a much boarder use of the term "terrorist" can now be any one suspected of funding or having links to terrorist. The really scary part is the "Suspected" part.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

@Matt Not only that but now if you look into AUMF and NDAA 2012 you will see where they have a much boarder use of the term "terrorist" can now be any one suspected of funding or having links to terrorist. The really scary part is the "Suspected" part.

I did look, there is no defined "terrorist" in either of the lengthy documents. Every catagory has a definition. Gang Member has a defintion and thats what i am looking for. the "official" definition.

Matt, I based my statement about domestic terrorist on the above information. That sounds scary to me.Below is a link to the memo from the DHS.http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Gotcha, Yep read it when it came out, pissed off everyone. My statement was I guess we should profile all NASCAR drivers cause they are capable of better car chases too! LOL This aint no different from the red scare commie lists that i grew up with. This is what happens when there is a threat and no one can find them, everyone becomes suspect.

Not disagreeing nor agreeing just asking so dont go tar n featherin me just yet K :)

[WiseOwl]

I have read that this bill has been signed every year for the last 48 years. So why is it now such a big deal?

Even though I cant stand him, Odumbo came out and said it doesnt apply to american citizens.

A good friend had a post about this on facebook and schooled some people. If I need to get his sources I will.

Google it.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Odumbo came out and said it doesnt apply to american citizens.

That is what he said the to media... What he told congress/senate and HIS ACTUAL policy is very different. Read the STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY dated November 17, 2011 created for the Senate.

Section 1031 attempts to expressly codify the detention authority that exists under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) (the “AUMF”). The authorities granted by the AUMF, including the detention authority, are essential to our ability to protect the American people from the threat posed by al-Qa'ida and its associated forces, and have enabled us to confront the full range of threats this country faces from those organizations and individuals. Because the authorities codified in this section already exist, the Administration does not believe codification is necessary

Any bill that challenges or constrains the President's critical authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the Nation would prompt the President's senior advisers to recommend a veto.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps1867s_20111117.pdf

So because he told the media one thing and is doing another just means he is still the same old person we already knew. He also told the media he would not sign it. Which he did.

BTW here is the Final Version of the Bill (atleast the best I can tell):

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

I did look, there is no defined "terrorist" in either of the lengthy documents. Every catagory has a definition. Gang Member has a defintion and thats what i am looking for. the "official" definition.

I will have to go dig and read to find the bill that put a definition on terrorist

But watch this video where RAND talks about NDAA 2012 at the 11:44 mark he refernces some other bills and gives examples of that a "terrorist" might be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anjVgWNzQnk