What or how would you defend your family?

[Klayton]

Hey all, came across this last night on youtube while, as usual looking for more material, but this video I am linking makes some key OPSEC points...

One disturbing thing is the creator of this video shows several "how to" techniques of over taking a prepper site, which is very disturbing. Not saying there are alot of gang bangers watching prepper style videos, but still, never train the enemy has always been my philosophy.

So, please watch the video and comment on what YOU would do.

Long Live the Republic!

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

Against a well organized, highly motivated group it could be diffecult to prevail, I will be very intrested reading how to counter such a group.

One thing I would think would help is a Radio JAMMER. Just as they cut your comms, you can cut theirs.

[Hawk_308]

I cant watch the video now because Im on a "mobile" work connection but I will say this . Those who seek out violence normally find it and its always a matter of time before they meet their end . A organized predator group will be a serious threat but it can be dealt with the trick would be intel and organization which takes man power but in a small community or town is doable .

[WiseOwl]

Wow, this makes me really think. If the crap was to go down tomorrow, me and my family would be burnt toast. I once told my wife if something like this was to happen, I would save 4 rounds for us. She thought that was mean and cruel but it would be a better way to go than to be slaughtered or raped. I would try and take out who and what I could until that time. Fast forward a few more years and I "may" have a couple more rifles and weapons, possibly some MBR's (hope to purchase my 1st one with my tax return this year). Also, I look to start establishing some sort of group. I now have my brother and wife on board, so once they start building up the stock, we can start assessing our situation better. And if an "all hell breaks loose" event occurs, I hope it to be years away so my boys can at least be of shooting age.

The only thing I can pray for in a situation like this is that my neighbors are also aware and vigilant. Down here we dont talk to each other much and I think it TSHTF a few would bug out but the ones that I know that would stay (I know from a lil bit of talking about stuff) they have weapons, training and some sort of sense.

But the reality is if a group like this is prowling my area, we are toast. I know it and they know it.

[610Alpha]

excellent description of how looters can attack you.

1. Know you areas of weakness around your retreat.
2. Train!!
3. Train some more!!
4. Train against and OPFOR!!
5. Conceal your LP/OP
6. Watch your comms

Just some thoughts to throw out there. I would do the best I could.

[oldsoldier]

Against a well organized, highly motivated group it could be diffecult to prevail, I will be very intrested reading how to counter such a group..

To some extent I agree. BUT overall I have to disagree.... True a well organized group can be difficult to defeat in some instances. HOWEVER, if your loocation is properly set-up it would be difficult if not imposible to breech. If for nothing else making their casualty rate high enough to make continueing not worth the cost. If you/ your group have practiced OPSEC the assailants won't know for sure what you do or do not have. It is simple to counter act such a group by being better trained, better armed, and have a good defensable location.

In my/our case, we have 70+ secluded acres that is our BOL. I am currently as time/ finance allows installing motion sensors, CCTV, and other security measures. There are 10 people in my group, 7 of us are military trained, myself and 2 others are SF trained. We train and work together both at the local gun range and training facility, as well as the BOL itself. We have gear and supplies cached in several locations with hidden hard wired comm stations to prevent electronic evesdropping or interference. IMO if we are atacked by an opposing force if we take out 10-15% of their force especially wounding them. I say wounding because it takes an average of 2 personell to care for each wounded attacker. thus reducing their available personell by 30%-45% or more. In most cases that would make the gain ( or possible gain) to high to continue the assault.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

It is simple to counter act such a group by being better trained, better armed, and have a good defensable location.

That is the problem... Money and time to train and people trust worthly to train with. And then a "trainer". I have no mil experaince... I am a decent shot but no real knowledge other than how to shoot. Choosing a location, movement, and tatics is the list of things I must learn then all the currently unknown knowledge that I dont even yet know I am missing.

[WiseOwl]

That is the problem... Money and time to train and people trust worthly to train with. And then a "trainer". I have no mil experaince... I am a decent shot but no real knowledge other than how to shoot. Choosing a location, movement, and tatics is the list of things I must learn then all the currently unknown knowledge that I dont even yet know I am missing.

It would be nice to have that type of setup but with a Natty Light budget, I guess I can take some coke cans and some fishing line and make me a good ole alarm system.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

It would be nice to have that type of setup but with a Natty Light budget, I guess I can take some coke cans and some fishing line and make me a good ole alarm system.

yea budget (time and money)...

Time and money are extermely short. I have a 22month old daughter that I want to spend every waking moment with and then a 50+ hour a week job, honey-do list and daily process of life, then add that with trying to learn all I can about prepping, and long term self reliance time runs out quickly. And I am by no means a wealthy guy (I do live very comfortabliy though).


I dont drink sodas so I may have to forage for some cans for my alarm system.

[Bill Spies]

That's pretty scary! I've always thought of roaming bands of gangs being a force to be dealt with , but not that well trained. I'm hoping my community would come together as a whole and protect each other. That could happen...then again...it might not.

[brokedownbiker]

excellent description of how looters can attack you.

1. Know you areas of weakness around your retreat.
2. Train!!
3. Train some more!!
4. Train against and OPFOR!!
5. Conceal your LP/OP
6. Watch your comms

Just some thoughts to throw out there. I would do the best I could.

All of the above and...

A few things came to mind as I watched the video-

1) The video really points out the contrast between our NEED for mutual support and our DESIRE to pull in on ourselves during a crisis. As the narrator pointed out, the distance between retreats prevents mutual assistance in most cases.

2) Another point, probably the one that is the hardest for the average American to wrap their head around is the mindset of the looters- they WILL NOT hesitate to kill you and they have ZERO human compassion. You cannot think of them as people and show them any mercy; they will show you none. It is like shooting a rabid dog, you have to put it down for the safety of everyone involved. It is a harsh point of view but life will be much harsher than most can imagine in that kind of scenario. American have been insulated from this level of savagery for a long time and it is going to be a huge shock (maybe a fatal one).

3) The video shows the value of having members of your group who have military background.

4) It will be critical in a post-SHTF scenario like the one shown to have a roving patrol of your AO and multiple LP/OP's (as manpower allows of course) in order to stop such a group from getting close enough to recon your site. Better to deal with them far from home rather than having to defend your home.

It definitely puts into perspective the risks and dangers we are all going to face if the balloon does go up.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

One disturbing thing is the creator of this video shows several "how to" techniques of over taking a prepper site, which is very disturbing. Not saying there are alot of gang bangers watching prepper style videos

Wrong buddy, there are alot of folks and gangs watching and thinking right now. Even some militias and supremacist groups plan on taking over others for "resupply".
Street gangs have embraced the internet and almost all social network and have sites, dont take my word for it just search goggle or facebook and see for yourself. After all this doorway leads to identity theft which is much safer a crime than dealing or theft these days. These videos and sites are watched and truth us none here really know who they are talking to nor who's "lurking".
motorcycle gangs have open plans to supply themselves from others and information is being distributed to watch for solar panels, 4x4s and rain barrels, large fuel tanks etc. they refuse to prepare spending their money on dope, bikes and alcohol etc but they have little issue obtaining weapons and violence is required to even be there.
The very neighbor that has said "i'm coming to your house when SHTF" is the one who has thought or will later about how to get to you and knows you best because of the proximity.
Have you ever seen a predator gazing at the stars or watching the grass grow? No they are always looking around and constantly being vigilant. Human predators are the same, they cant find a job but know where every resource of fun, drugs, alcohol or sex within 30 minutes of them is.
Go to a large shopping outlet and people watch. These predators will be overlooked, blandly dressed, sidelined but always watching. Vanity is often the mistake of some victims who think they are looking because they "are hot" but if you watch them closley these predators aren't looking at body parts but pockets, phones and bags that are in the vicinity of the body parts.

There are reasons to be paranoid. This is one

[Klayton]

OK as Matt just pointed out, a STRANGE thing happened today but thankfully I maintained OPSEC...

Wife and I finally found a local source for the 275gal Food Grade caged square totes YAHOOO
So we went and picked up 4 of them today and loaded them on the trailer. But while paying for them, the clerk asked what they were for, and I just said "collecting rain water" (this was intentional, as rain water equipment is tax exempt, another yipee). But then he asked, where do you guys live? I gave him a puzzled look. Then he said you know for our mailing, we will send you out any future sales we have coming out. I told him, we just moved here and our current address is written on a piece of paper in my truck, and I would be go get it. I collected my receipts, finished tieing down the totes, and LEFT!! The wife was like, aren't you going to go give him our address, I looked at her and without skipping a beat she said, OH YA, that would not be a good idea. LOL
Its those moments when she and I sync like that we use our saying: GET OUT OF MY BRAIN... Isn't marriage awesome!!

So increased my water capacity today by over 1000 gallons, will work on setting them up over the next couple of days.

OPSEC
OPSEC
OPSEC

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Yup
and to answer the defense side. It is very difficult as any defense is. Distance is your friend, layer the security, work on the range carding for your knowledge expansion and the largest issue i have is fire. I have done alot with defense but the basic structures we are forced to live in are way to suseptible to fire.

https://www.survivalandpreparednessforum.com/showthread.php?1443-Range-Carding

https://www.survivalandpreparednessforum.com/showthread.php?1746-Passive-Defense-Measures

[1Admin]

No reason to give your name at a place like that Klayton. Heck, give a fake if you need to.

I can't tell you how many packages we shipped in the 90's to the "Smith" family that were paid for in postal money orders and were shipped to Mailboxes Etc. drop boxes... All I can say is those Smith's are pretty darn prepared! LOL