UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL STOP PAYING TAXES NOW.

[rice paddy daddy]

If you will notice, now that Obama no longer has a liberal Congress eager to enact his every socialist wish, he's not getting much done, is he? :)
Ron Paul could get some things done, but when he starts in on legalizing all drugs, or cutting off aid to our staunch allies, those ideas would be dead in the water.
Don't get me wrong, Pauls got some good ideas, but he's like a crazy uncle who just when he seems lucid, takes a mental walkabout.

[Rmplstlskn]

It will never happen, by any crowd, anywhere, in any sizable move, before the elections of 2012... It just won't happen. Then, some years after 2012, when people realize BOTH parties (President is not a dictator, he needs CONGRESS) are hopelessly LOST and CORRUPT, then maybe some kind of massive revolt will happen... But as brokedownbiker said, it will be violent, messy and devastating, then there is the unknown on if the right side wins...

[klacc]

Withholding taxes is never a good idea. That will only lead to more problems. You will be noticed but the reason you are doing it won't be focused on too much.

[Gonzo]

Umm....
Pay ~$7/Mo. for cell phone; Don't pay for TeeVee; Make your own lunch instead of take-out; Buy bulk instead of going back to the store again. And again...; Learn to grow and buy whole foods and make your own (both cheaper and healthier); Reduce/eliminate health-care (death-care) costs via previous suggestions. Use immediate savings to DUMP your DEBT.

When you can follow the above and more, your income can be reduced to "un-taxable" levels. No, it's not all that easy. Freedom is a hard business.

G

[rice paddy daddy]

Right on Gonzo.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but any newbie who advocates breaking the law after having been a member for only a month or two raises big red flags to me.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

Right on Gonzo.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but any newbie who advocates breaking the law after having been a member for only a month or two raises big red flags to me.

Either someone who aint very smart or someone who is trying to bait youall in to meesin up for a career steppin stone

[610Alpha]

good luck not paying payroll taxes, considering that employers take it out for you. Unless you claim 20 dependents or something. Right now I claim 8 dependents because I will end up over paying...I HATE Tax Refunds...that is an interest free loan to the Govt.

[HDM]

Wow, color me shocked! Obviously if I had known I would get this kind of response I would have never posted the article.
It seems ironic to me that we are scared to death of the IRS:
Not_Yet_Prepped: Its not so peaceful when they start garnishing your paycheck, freeze your accounts, and seize your home (or because you have no money you cant pay your mortage and the bank takes it back)... Basically all to leave you with out money, assests, homeless and hungry! The other possiblity is that they put you in a cell with true violent criminals.
So their response option #1 is cut you off from your resources and starve you out (wait thats what one does during war) or Option #2 they put in a cell (wait that also happens in war).
So our actions might be peacefull but their re-actions are "War" like...That does not seem very peaceful to me???
It all boils down to the IRS has too much power without any real oversight!

But we are OK with talking about going to war and killing people:
brokedownbiker:
Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy
Never going to happen short of violent overthrow of the government. The career politicians are as dependent on tax money as a crack head is on coke. They will never voluntarily give it up.
And no, Ron Paul is not going to part the waters, either.
You nailed it. The government has the power and will do ANYTHING to keep it; real substantial change will only occur when enough people have reached the point of violent revolt. It will be ugly, messy, and will split families worse than the "Civil" War. But it is the ONLY way to put the nation back on the right course. And there aren't enough folks at that point...... yet.
I hope and pray that another solution is found but I just do not see what it could be.

Rmplstlskn
It will never happen, by any crowd, anywhere, in any sizable move, before the elections of 2012... It just won't happen. Then, some years after 2012, when people realize BOTH parties (President is not a dictator, he needs CONGRESS) are hopelessly LOST and CORRUPT, then maybe some kind of massive revolt will happen... But as brokedownbiker said, it will be violent, messy and devastating, then there is the unknown on if the right side wins...


My reasoning was simply looking for a way to force the politicians to do what they ought to do WITHOUT starting a war. I believe that in a country with a population of about 310 million people that it would be possible to get enough people to join together and cut off the source of power of the politicians and there would be too many people for them to prosecute.
I was not trying to bait anyone:
Matt In Oklahoma
Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy
Right on Gonzo.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but any newbie who advocates breaking the law after having been a member for only a month or two raises big red flags to me.
Either someone who aint very smart or someone who is trying to bait youall in to meesin up for a career steppin stone

So I guess that just makes me stupid.
I apologize, I will cause you no more trouble.
HDM

[610Alpha]

Well lets think about this....for the non self-employed it is nigh impossible to not give the govt some tax money. If you buy from a store you are paying sales tax. So unless you can work for cash and not buy from a store you will be hard pressed in not giving the govt tax money.

You are right the IRS does need oversight, preferably the pink slip. I am giving all politicians my own enforced term limits...I vote for the other guy every 2 terms.

[Not_Yet_Prepped]

But we are OK with talking about going to war and killing people

I am saying I am going to keep paying my taxes, because if I don’t they will go to war with me and I am NOT ok with war, so my only option is to keep paying...

I will try to use my VOTE to affect change. Our founding fathers fought a war and then gave us The Constitution all so that we would not have to fight a war over taxes or any of many other concerns ever again.

I am sorry that I gave you the impression I was talking about war, it is NOT an option to rational "Americans".

[Gonzo]

Well lets think about this....for the non self-employed it is nigh impossible to not give the govt some tax money. If you buy from a store you are paying sales tax. So unless you can work for cash and not buy from a store you will be hard pressed in not giving the govt tax money.

Yeah, the question then becomes, how much? Right?

I heard somewhere (years ago) that when you buy a loaf of bread at the store, "eighty-some %" of the price of that loaf goes to pay various taxes.
So make your own.

Taxes are no more "inevitable" than death. Happens every day. Choose less.

Or keep feeding the beast...

G

[WiseOwl]

Only 3 things Certain in our lives....................Death, Gravity, and Taxes.

[qrprat77]

Only 3 things Certain in our lives....................Death, Gravity, and Taxes.

And dead armadillos on the side of the road.
Remember they die cause they think nothing can hurt them.

[rice paddy daddy]

What I was getting at, HDM, is Robert runs a clean site. I appreciate that.

[Bull]

I've never had a problem with paying taxes, but I sure have a problem with how that money is spent. Sales tax and income tax are two completely different things. As mentioned, I have the choice to make my own food, or forgo purchasing something I don't need. Income tax, collected at the point of a gun, is entirely different. We probably all agree that we need to pay taxes in order for the government to operate. The question becomes: What is the purpose of government? What is a legitimate and moral role of the government? If bailing out states, and various companies, and providing money for people who can't pay their mortgage, or covering college debt is moral, and a legitimate purpose of government, then they should be able to collect money from us and use it for that. I doubt you will find many people who actually agree that those are roles of the government. Our founding fathers for instance, would absolutely disagree with what the government is spending our tax dollars on. Their various thoughts on such matters are easily accessible for review. There was a phrase used, prior to the American Revolution: "no taxation without representation." This is happening now. Some have said that you resort to revolutionary tactics when the ballot box fails to work. Well, roughly half of the folks using the ballot box have no income tax liability. I doubt that there will be enough people willing to take a stand in order to get the government under control. There are many different methods, which could be employed. You could, as suggested earlier, provide for yourself in a way, which allows you to reduce your income to a lower level, and avoid the liability. This may be very effective if done on a large scale. However, there is no getting around the fact that we should not be forced to make this choice. The government has reached a point where it is using force, and it's police power, to collect money for immoral, unjust, and illegitimate purposes. Our founders had something to say about that, which they included in the beginning of the Declaration of Independence. I can definitely understand the sentiment of avoiding paying taxes to whatever degree possible. After what I paid last year, I thought my head would explode. I shouldn't be forced to earn less, in order to avoid unreasonable taxation. So wether or not folks on this site will adopt a tactic of refusing to pay, through some means, or not. Eventually, if the government continues as it is now, some people will do that. Eventually, as states begin to fail, and bailouts grow, and the economy begins to tank because of it, some states may decide that dealing with all of that it isn't worth it, just to keep fifty stars on Old Glory. If things don't change, the likelihood of revolution, of civil war, or succession, or of massive civil unrest, because of people employing such tactics, will increase. If no one on this site does anything of the sort, that is one thing. But certainly, there will be those in our society who do begin to resist. And this is liable to result in a very difficult situation throughout the country, or the various states which are most affected. Things will change, or inevitably come to a head. And this is one more of the situations we should all prep for.