Anarchy/rioting video

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Everything can be replaced, a lot of things can be repaired. If your car gets trashed getting out of a mess like this, so be it.

We can SAY things like that, but if we aren't used to taking a chance here and there NOW, we will likely not take that chance later.

Friends that know me can tell sometimes when I'm sparring with them when I up the game a little bit. My nephew says "he gets that crazy look in his eyes and it's all over"- this from a 24 year old firefighter who drags tires down the beach for fun.

Kevin Reeve in his Escape and Evasion classes calls this "flipping the switch." I like that phrase.

For years I've talked about being able to make the "change" when the time comes, old blog entries with names like "Living in yesterday" talk about similar things.

When you make that wrong turn and your in the middle of a riot at the intersection of 187 Avenue and MLK drive, you have to "flip the switch." You have to be able to change instantly from law abiding straight laced citizen to crazed "I'll do whatever I need to do to get myself or my family out of here" person.

How can we "train" that response? I'm not sure I have a good answer for that?

Walk just a little bit on the "gray" line more. Fight more. Take more chances.

Forest Griffin was interviewed before a fight, odd guy but very practical. The commentator asked him what his "plan" was for the fight. His reply was simple- "I'm gonna go out there and he's gonna punch me in the face. That's good cause that will tell me I'm in a fight.." (not his exact words but you get the idea).

You have to first realize you are in a fight. The fight could very well be for your life.

If your worried that your SUV might get a scratch or your little car will get torn up jumping a curb (don't worry it won't, mine doesn't ;) , you'll die.

If your worried that capping someone who is rushing you with a bat will get you thrown in jail, you'll die. A good lawyer can get you out of just about anything- EXCEPT YOUR DEATH.

You may have to kill, you may have to steal to get out of the area. Those are hard concepts for us, but it may come down to that. A car you had to steal to get out of the area can be returned or dropped off somewhere, etc.

At Kevin's Urban E and E class he tells the story of a guy in Baghdad that was part of the currency exchange program. He was American but dressed like a hadji because of what they were doing. He rode in the back of a plain jane van filled with cash every day. The van broke down in the wrong place with a flat tire. The drivers said they could change the tire quickly. This guy KNEW that they would be under fire within a minute or so. They destroyed the cash and the guy walked out into traffic, produced an AK and stopped a taxi. He got in the back, held the muzzle to the back of the driver's head and told him where to drive.

When they got to a safe area, the guy was very apologetic and gave the driver a big pile of cash. The driver simply said "what time do I pick you up tomorrow?"

Thinking outside the box.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

At the request of someone. This is what I consider the useful portion of what I had to say on this.
I have trained several classes this year, of all walks of life, and one point always hit on is vehicle security and leaving enough room, between you and the vehicle in front of you, to turn out of at traffic stops and picking a route as soon as you approach the intersection to avoid the telephone poles or their anchor lines as well as the fire hydrants etc. Eyes up and looking, no I-phone zombies, constantly asking questions of whats going on.
Thats all I really wanted to say, however it will not be left at that.

On the other issue. You all want to make comments about me or someone like me then e-mail me. I dont make any secrets about me, I'm here and trying to do my best in both learning and teaching. This petty commenting on ones profession, family or anything else: this aint the place for that. This place was designed to help all people, not air out your helpless feelings against an unseen enemy you have never faced. This post is a great example of that. It was written to make you think on skills for your personal survival in a real bad situation we all pray you all never see, not belittling political "come join my side" against "them" hatred.
I'm not going to back off a fight if thats what is needed but I'm also not going to let you all destroy what these fine people have worked hard for and what they have worked hard to keep it from becoming. Plenty of room at other places for that. I will see me leave here long before that happens but I won't be alone. Let's stay focused on whats out there and what the bad really is or will be as we never know the when of such events.

[RunAndGun]

I have told this story in the past as an example of how a completely different and foreign society can exist right next door to the "world you know". My retelling of it was brought about by watching the video at the beginning of this post. I want to tell you all about it to give you an idea of the mind set of this society and hope to illustrate that the value systems and thought processes of the these folks are NOT like you are wired. I am probably going to get bashed for being a racist. I am not. Never have been.

I am standing a post as an armed security guard at the moment only 1 mile from where this happened 4 years and a totally different mind set of mine ago. I have to moonlight doing this since the crash of Nov. 2008 to make ends meet. I was not a prepper then, but fortunately got in to the act before it was too late.This occurred at the Conoco station at I45 and MLK Blvd in Dallas Texas.

I was running late to my range session on Sunday with my Guard unit and didnt stop for fuel. I was giving a mini shotgun familiarization course that day and had a few personal weapons with me. I dutifully unloaded and cased my weapons, placing them in the back seat of my truck and the ammo cans in the bed. When I left the range, I punched in my GPS for the closest fuel. It took me to that station. I was so low on fuel, I new I could not leave. My lack of preparedness had landed me in another world.

The parking lot was absolutely packed with people and it was dark. Every time I tried to get to the pumps, a car would cut me off and get in front of me. Since I couldn't leave, and I was getting really uncomfortable figuring I was going to be their a while, it occured to me that I did not have LOADED weapon anywhere on me or near me.

I am in ACU's, a whiteboy and in a 3/4ton 4 door pu. I could not have stood out anymore than I was then. The pan handlers and the hookers were all over me but that's not what bothered me. What bothered me was atleast a dozen folk had come up to me clearly sizing me and my property up. Im thinking "enough of the crap!"

I get out with my Mossberg 590 shotgun. I go to the bed of the truck and open an ammo can and start loading it up, keeping one eye on the folks around me. This action would have gotten the SWAT team called immediately in my relatively quiet suburb 30 mile away. Ya know what happened there? NOTHING!

The guys sizing me up suddenly had something else to do. It had absolutely NO effect on the panhandlers or the hookers. They acted like they didn't even see it. I suppose because they really meant me no harm. Passers by that happened to glance over at me had the same reaction as if I had just pulled my brief case out of the car.

After about another 10 minutes of me just standing there waiting for the pumps to clear, this guy walks in front of a car that is about to pull up to the pump and stops it. He looks and points at me and motions for me to pull up to the pump. Now this guy did not work there and had no reason to do what he did that I can figure out, other than to get me out of there.

I pull up to the pump and he yells "Don't get out!" He ask me if I have a card. Like a dumbo I tell him yes and I give it too him. He swipes my card in the pump and give it back to me and starts pumping my gas for me. I try to hand him a $20.00 for helping me out. He says "I don't want your money man, I just want you outta here".

Now as irony will have it, I work in this same area. I hear mag dumps almost nightly. The tire shop accross the street from where I work had a huge drug bust today. The night club two doors down from that, a guy got shot in the face last friday night.

I have no problems where I am working (so far) but getting to and from here is always interesting. More than once while stopped at a stop light I have had a "native" TELL me I that they are going to get in the bed of my truck and I am going to take them somewhere. I politely decline of course. It seems like a hilarious game for some of the natives is to see how close they can get to me when I stop for coffee or fuel. I am wearing the same stuff on my belt any police officer would be wearing so its a really fun game (note sarcasm).

I am not a big guy, but I am in shape and carry myself well. My point is that my appearance does not scream "victim". The wiring of this society is totally different than what most of us are used to or can wrap our mind around. Please don't fall in to the rational that because you are ready, willing, and able to take care of yourself and your body language shows it will keep you out of trouble mentality. I'm here to tell you that these folks will push you to action to prove it because its a fun game that they like to play, and really don't have anything to lose.

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Excellent posts guys.

We need to keep the cop bashing or inferred cop bashing down. As I said in that last thread, their are a LOT of friendly LEO's and .mil types in the movement. They are the silent majority and the liberals FEAR THEM. Either way, we don't want to alienate them. Enuf said ;)

[610Alpha]

At the request of someone. This is what I consider the useful portion of what I had to say on this.
I have trained several classes this year, of all walks of life, and one point always hit on is vehicle security and leaving enough room, between you and the vehicle in front of you, to turn out of at traffic stops and picking a route as soon as you approach the intersection to avoid the telephone poles or their anchor lines as well as the fire hydrants etc. Eyes up and looking, no I-phone zombies, constantly asking questions of whats going on.

Excellent point... I leave myself an out when driving on the interstate in the bigger cities but fail to do so at a stop light. Learned 2 things today! The other was work so it wasn't as much fun.

[protus]

I'm here to tell you that these folks will push you to action to prove it because its a fun game that they like to play, and really don't have anything to lose.

this is a very good point. One that MANY fail to point out , when the topic comes up.

What i have qouted is the truth. The sad part is ,it is not just " teens" or older people. It is even young kids ( 12 and younger).
It's all a game to them, and they laugh even when caught.
Ive been in a cop cruiser, chasing down 4-6 teens who just stole a vechile of sorts, and crashed it. I was in phone contact with dispatch, and was directing in the responding officers from a vnatage point as to where the teens were going. One pulls up, yells jump in, and off we go.
We pull up, i ID them, the lead leo, ask me what i want to do. I ask what can you do to them...not much of a reply due to their age, and even he was frustrated at that.... i give permission for them to be trespassed and we left. The whole time, all 4-6 of them grinning ear to ear,like nothing ever happend.

Just yesterday.
Im walking down the steps in a building. Those who have been to my AO know what kind of building. There's 5 or so guys. For the most part i play it cool/
" hey man, sup..gotta sneek past ya.....ahh be better at 5pm man, you know the deal....thanks...."
all but 2 move.
One stays seated.back to us,never makes eye contact...one ignores us and continues on with his cell phone jabber, and the thrid stands at the base of the stairs staring at us.
Of course , my attitude towards those two ( the standing ones) changes from just the cool guy asking to get by, to the guy you will let by.

This frame of mind, like your gas station story plays out each day. There are those who will get out of the way, those who will say " come on man,let them by" and those who will just sit there DARING you to try something..all for the reason that they just dont care.


Sorry for the derail . BUt R and G's post reminded me of something so many do not see since they are not in that type of AO or around people with that mindset dailey.
There's a reason i have the mental block in place to mash the pedal on the right..........and the vids that were posted made for good talk at work. Where eveyone felt like me. hti the .gas, de-6, fight till the end, but get out of there no matter what at that point.