Nanny State....

[tarheelsman71]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1513.htm

I would have thought an ATF or FBI raid would have been the rule of thumb here, but I guess I actually make too much sense. I look into each of the resources and this looks pretty legitimate in terms of being a true article. A friend of mine in vegas verified that it was in the vegas paper delivered to his house. Wow.

[WiseOwl]

http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/08/small_world_department_image_o.html

[Grand58742]

Sorcha Faal isn't exactly known for having the greatest track record and often stretches the smallest detail to fit the story they weave.

The ATF thing is true, as for the remainder of the article about the secret orders and all? Notice there isn't any reference or anything else on that? And the fact military law enforcement can raid civilian areas with a proper search warrant (yes, it's happened before unlike the stretch of the truth the article portrays) AND with oversight of civilian LEOs. Chances are, this store that was raided was dealing in stolen government property and this is why it happened, not some super secret Executive Order giving the military super duper powers over the public. And OSI Headquarters in Quantico? Try Andrews AFB for an factual location of the headquarters. Furthermore, the USAF Troopers = Federally credentialed Agents.

And heavily armed OSI Agents? Rarely do they ever have more than a handgun...and the heaviest arm they have is an M-4. But then again, heavily armed to some liberal bystanders is a Supersoaker and pen knife.

This unfortunately is a streeeeeeeetch of the truth to a degree I can't even do as a fiction writer. I simply cannot connect the dots enough to make up things like this.

Propaganda of so called "Russian Intelligence" that makes up more things than are true and unfortunately too many people cite as a reference as the sky falling.

[Matt In Oklahoma]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1513.htm

I would have thought an ATF or FBI raid would have been the rule of thumb here, but I guess I actually make too much sense. I look into each of the resources and this looks pretty legitimate in terms of being a true article. A friend of mine in vegas verified that it was in the vegas paper delivered to his house. Wow.

Just another if you cant find something real make stuff up to hate the man

[huckridge]

We have plenty to watch out for such as the Executive Order that created the White House Rural Council. Ownership of our land is dear to us but can be taken away in the blink of an eye.

[eeyore]

... Notice there isn't any reference or anything else on that? And the fact military law enforcement can raid civilian areas with a proper search warrant (yes, it's happened before unlike the stretch of the truth the article portrays) AND with oversight of civilian LEOs. Chances are, this store that was raided was dealing in stolen government property and this is why it happened, not some super secret Executive Order giving the military super duper powers over the public. And OSI Headquarters in Quantico? Try Andrews AFB for an factual location of the headquarters. Furthermore, the USAF Troopers = Federally credentialed Agents.
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Every pawn shop and surplus story outside of every military base in the US has this happen everyday. Not suppose to use miltary in a law enforsement role. All they are doing is blurring the lines. imo

Air Force recovers stolen materials from Friday's raid
Las Vegas, NV (KTNV)- We're learning more on why the U.S. Air Force raided a local gun store Friday. They say it wasn't guns they were looking for.

An official from the Air Force is speaking to Action News about that raid. New information clarifies that this may have been an inside job, and the penalties could turn out to be very severe.

It was an afternoon that rocked businesses near Dean Martin and Flamingo. Local and federal law enforcement agencies swarmed in and served search warrants on Citadel Gun and Safe.

New information gives us an insight on the massive raid that up until now, authorities were tight lipped about. Turns out it was the Air Force Office of Special Investigations that led the raid.

"They went in there and did in fact find stolen air force military property that was stolen from Nellis Air Force Base," says Linda Card with the Air Force OSI.

Metro lent a hand as well as the FBI, ATF, and ICE. The recovered material though would not have posed a danger to regular people, says the Air Force.

"It did not include weapons, guns, explosives of any kind, bombs, nothing like that. It was basic stolen military property," says Card.

It's unclear what "basic military property" really is. We went to the Citadel Gun and Safe store Saturday it was open for business, but they promptly told us, not open for comment. After questioning the store owner and raiding his home, authorites have turned their investigation to Nellis Air Force Base.

"But if someone is in fact guilty at Nellis and they did steal military equipment and they tried to sell it outside, yes they will be charged for whatever it is that they did," says Card.

At this point no one has been charged, but as the questioning continues, formal charges could come as early as next week. We're told the gun store's owner did cooperate with authorities, and the investigation is still open.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/128140053.html

Thanks for the link Wise Owl, that explains alot about the situation

[Grand58742]

Every pawn shop and surplus story outside of every military base in the US has this happen everyday. Not suppose to use miltary in a law enforsement role. All they are doing is blurring the lines. imo

I would tend to agree with you, however, to get OSI involved in an off base raid means there's probably more than just a few ALICE pouches pawned from someone's TA-50. I can guarantee you it was something of high value.

This happens more often than the article lets on. This is just one occasion where it got press. It happens more often than you would think and has been for a long time. OSI is no different than NCIS or the Army CID. They work off base, but almost always in conjunction with local LEO or another Federal Agency. And if not, there is a professional courtesy to inform said civilian department they are conducting a search in their jurisdiction. But only, ONLY for crimes specifically involving military property or personnel. And again, we aren't talking about the aforementioned helmets and web gear at Billy Bob's Army Surplus someone is getting rid of. If they staged a raid, it's because they had something of considerable value or believed it to be in that place. What was it? Who knows.

And furthermore, what the article ignores is the fact a civilian judge had to issue that warrant. Again, someone is ignoring facts and/or not doing their homework in order to stir up the pot. I can flat guarantee you if the LVRJ or KTNV did their homework, they would find a CIVILIAN judge issued that warrant. But again, it sells more papers and more TV ads when you put

"MILITARY STAGES RAID IN DOWNTOWN LAS VEGAS"

as a headline. Let's downplay the fact local LEOs, the FBI, ATF and ICE were also there. Let's ignore the fact there are strict procedures and protocols which also involve a civilian magistrate to issue an off base search warrant. Let's downplay the fact there actually WAS stolen USAF property there. Oh and by the way, let's downplay the fact that particular unit is comprised of Federal Agents and many are civilians.

I mean, ignore all those facts and you have a pretty bad sounding situation like the military is just going off the reservation at random conducting searches whenever they darn well feel like it. And this super secret supposed Executive Order that allows them to do it? Yeah, it starts to sounds really bad.

Not going off on your eeyore. Just the fact people omit, ignore and dismiss facts to suit their own agenda when writing so called "news" articles.

[tarheelsman71]

I think it will happen more often to "blur the lines." eeyore is hitting on the root there. I love me some glenn beck, and his book overton window spoke to this a lot. Overton window is a marketing term that beck says is running our country. If you want gas to be $3.50 a gallon, make it $5 dollars, up from $2.50 so that when it comes back down to $3.50 everyone is just glad it isnt $5 anymore. this is the same principal being used here. Once we as a people get used to the military being used as a police force (as it is already being used around the world) then it will just be common to see military conducting "joint task force" missions. My scout snipers from my LAV BN at Lejeune were sent multiple times to JTF missions with the Border Patrol and that was in the mid 90's. They sat on a hill with spotting scopes and called in border jumpers for BP to pick up.

Grand, all I am saying is that we as a country, are giving up our rights everyday, little by little. Do I think a bad arse homeland security team is waiting on every corner? No, but it is possible in the future I see headed my way. Let some full scale riots hit mulitple major cities 500k and more (i.e. London etc.), and I will almost bet that marshall law will be imposed. "never waste a crisis" pelosi probably already has it signed on her desk waiting for a crisis.

[coyotewhisperer]

I've run into alot of LAR guys this week on the internet. I was 1st LAR BN we also did the JTF's to the border. I think all that stopped when a Marine from the 1st MAR DIV killed an illegal herding cattle or goats. Those OSI guys are federal law enforcement officers so I dont see any difference with them executing a search warrant as opposed to the FBI etc. Late 80's or around 91 or 1992 LAV BN turned into LAR BN so im figuring your a little older than me.