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    OK, so here is what I'm envisioning/planning.

    I want to be able to do a couple things with this pump. It will be pumping water out of a pond first and foremost. Intermittent usage. Primary usage will be for backup irrigation to a garden area right now out of range of our existing irrigation setup. Secondary usage would be to use for additional firefighting capability, coupled to 2" pipe with outlets at various places around the homestead.

    The first two parts are easy enough right? OK here's the third part.

    So the SHTF and it's a couple years in. It's been more than a few years since you pumped your septic and.....

    Yes I realize this is mostly solids. I've been there every time ours have been pumped and yeah, it's not pretty.

    But going out to poop in the woods regularly because your septic is full would further complicate security and OPSEC issues.

    I've thought a lot about how to deal with this problem. Seriously, what are your options?

    1. Lower your prisoners in and give them buckets (mental note, borrow a few from Protus), hand the filled buckets up to (NOT ME!!!) another prisoner who then carries it out and-
    A. Buries it.
    B. Bakes it and sells it on the side of the road as post apoc brownies
    C. Throws it in the neighbor you don't like's water supply.
    D. Possibly use it for fertilizer on someone's (NOT ME!!!) plants?

    2. Get in MOPP 4 and do the fecal fishing yourself- see above. Maybe it IS time to snatch a few prisoners??? ;)

    3. Use big rake (borrowed from neighbors), pump water into tank, use rake to break up solid, keep water flowing into top (scum layer) and try to use a "trash" or "semi trash" type pump (see above) to pump the slurry out and over the fence to the neighbors swimming pool.

    Seriously, what else could you do with your septic? Yes I know it's supposed to go away on it's own, don't use bleach in your toilets, put the little septic enzyme deal in there and all that. But we have had ours pumped twice in 11 years boots on the ground and each time solids were to the top. No problems in the house, but maybe we were just lucky??

    Now add for opsec sake "more than a few" more people to the mix in the house and the problem may be compounded.

    "Build an outhouse" is the easy answer, let's seriously wargame this.

    What type of pump could be used for the irrigation, potentially used for firefighting and potentially used for spraying poop slurry at beggars approaching the gate... I meant to say helping the neighbors fertilize their tomatoes!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Ideas? Comments?
    Last edited by 1Admin; 04-25-2011, 08:38 PM. Reason: tons of misspileelinzzzs
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  • #2
    I would ask the heroic guys who pump out your tank what type of pump they use on that truck that will be powerful enough to herd turds with enough force to make mountains out of molehills. I don't think that the normal pump you buy at the local hardware store, drop in the creek and water the fruitful garden will work to well on them zombie repelling projectiles along with other items such as random GI Joe parts and Hotwheels that seem to find their way into the motley tank of death and destruction. Just my thoughts, full of it as they may be!
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    • #3
      Buy two pumps. You aren't going to want to use that pump again for irrigation after you pumped out your septic tank, at least not me on my crops :). Get one of those new fangled add on plastic tanks to add to your existing system. FIL is looking into getting one of those for his farm house. I'll let you know what happens with that.

      Might look for a PTO pump, if you got a tractor of some kind.

      Like MIO said talk to the sump pump heroes about the pump they use. If memory serves me right, lol, those pumps looked like they were 3" - 4" pumps not the avg. 2". The hoses were at least that big.
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      • #4
        The first thing I see is that to pump sludge, you'd need a positive displacement pump, and for fire fighting, you'd need a centrifigul to develop pressure. Diluting the sludge with water would enable you to use a single pump for both purposes. A second tank that you could plumb to would let the first one dry for a few years and it could be bucketed or shoveled out. At that point you'd really have something more like dirt than sewage and it wouldn't be that bad (been there, done this one). For turd hurling, I'd have to look at a trebuchet, large loads for big distances. Good question, though.
        What a long, strange trip it's been.....

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        • #5
          This doesn't fit all your needs as described above but I thought folks might like to review this as a backup to their well pump. The full package can be expensive but you can invest smaller amounts and add deluxe features in stages. Good news is that it will work in the same well with your submersible and can pressurize your whole house or work by the bucket. It can be hand pumped or motorized with battery or solar power. Great videos on installation and how the pumps are designed and how they work. Might give you ideas on making your own. YMMV



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          • #6
            Good replies so far.

            To clarify- this pump would be used as a septic pump ONLY under worse case scenario in the PAW. I won't try to save $100. by mucking up this pump in the here and now.

            But the pump needs to be able to move some watered down slurry if it has to.
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            • #7
              Putting in a second tank near the first isn't possible. Good idea though.
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              • #8
                In a place i used to rent (in a basement) it has a sewer ejector pump, ( http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...1&ddkey=Search ) work off 120, pump out a 2' pipe into the septic line. You would have two systems. The sewer ejection pump for the pumping out the tank. Which will happen frequently once you over load it in the PAW, And get the 2 inch pump for the other things you mentioned.

                As to where to pump it, and what you use it for...

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                • #9
                  on a side note if you ever do get that and test it please make a video with targets :) that would be the ....
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by elittle View Post
                    Buy two pumps. You aren't going to want to use that pump again for irrigation after you pumped out your septic tank, at least not me on my crops :). Get one of those new fangled add on plastic tanks to add to your existing system. FIL is looking into getting one of those for his farm house. I'll let you know what happens with that.

                    Might look for a PTO pump, if you got a tractor of some kind.

                    Like MIO said talk to the sump pump heroes about the pump they use. If memory serves me right, lol, those pumps looked like they were 3" - 4" pumps not the avg. 2". The hoses were at least that big.
                    I like that idea about two pumps. And if you have the money you could hook the pumps up to the gasifer I posted about, if you run out of gas.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Matt In Oklahoma View Post
                      on a side note if you ever do get that and test it please make a video with targets :) that would be the ....
                      ??? the cats meow! lol!

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                      • #12
                        Here is an option for long term handling of the waste.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the link eeyore.

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                          • #14
                            How'd I miss this one?

                            Anyways, in the 80's as a young pup, as I was working to get my Florida Water Treatment Operator license, I worked for a small utility company that did both water and wastewater, and I learned a thing or two about POOP...

                            First off, POOP makes a GREAT fertilizer on orchards and groves... Many Florida orange groves (not sure if they still do this) would have us bring in our full pump trucks and we would spray it out the back on the ground under the trees as we drove down the lines... That was RAW POOP and those oranges loved it... On a GARDEN, not such a good idea... So don't rule out the poop for the right crops...

                            Second, MOST solids ALWAYS rise to the top in septic tanks, and a working septic tank should always be "near the top" as the digesting fluids underneath flow out to the drainage field at a set height in that tank. But SOLIDS are greasy, nasty, thick and very hard to "pump out." One would be better off bucket'ing the solids out and dumping them somewhere (orchard, groves, etc...) rather than try to PUMP them out. Without a specialized pump truck or a GRINDING-type lift pump, that sludge will only destroy most pumps...

                            So get a pump for irrigation and leave the septic system to the specialized equipment, and if in a "Brave New World" reality, then just plan on getting "dirty." But the BEST option is to prolong the need, by not dumping OILS & FATS down the drain, avoid bleaches and chemicals down the drain, get rid of that garbage disposal under your sink and compost that stuff instead... That will go a long way...

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                            • #15
                              "herd turds"
                              toss in a couple little plastic cowboys and horses and you got a round up! LOL
                              sorry we also have a septic and I really am interested in a 'solution'

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