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  • Mindset....air-conditioned recliners and walks through the mall?

    Ok, I'm sure that most of us, as some point and time, have either heard or read about Mindset, and how it applies to a survival situation. I've noticed something though, that I wanted to touch on, that some people may or may not have given much thought to. I'll try to be brief, and get right to the point.

    Surviving the potential events and situations, that we all discuss on this very board, and prepare for (and pray never happen), is NOT going to be a walk down the nature trail at a local park folks. Its not going to be clean and comfortable like sitting in your recliner in an air conditioned living room. Its not going to be, like taking a short walk through the local mall. In the summer, your going to get hot. Real hot. And sweaty. VERY sweaty. And dirty too. You had better start dealing with that thought now. Get out there, and get your body used to it. Some of you already do this. Some probably dont.

    What brings this up you ask? I've seen many postings, on a number of forums, where people are discussing gear, etc., and folks start complaining and saying how hot wearing this piece of gear is, or how heavy that back pack is, etc. I just read a thread this morning on another forum, where a poster made the comment, that he recently took a class, and was using a chest rig to hold his mags for his AK. He commented, in a seemingly proud way, that 4 hours into it he had ditched all his gear and was just running 1 mag in the gun, and 1 in his pocket. The insinuation was that the gear was too hot/heavy, etc. I've seen the exact same thing said at a LOT of places. People go to classes, and then part way through it, dump all their gear, and run the class without it. They then go back to their favorite forum, and tell everyone how they did that, and how they learned that all the gear and such is useless, and pontificate on how bad @ss they are, because they'll just be fighting with their one mag in their jeans pocket if they ever have to in the first place.

    There's a couple of issues going on here. First, if you find it too hot, or too heavy, to run some simple load bearing equipment in a 1 or 2 day class, then you need to look into better gear (there IS a reason why some gear costs more than others....hint...its all in the engineering and design), and/or....get your body and mind in shape. Seriously folks. Dont go to a class, or even just training on your own, and do it with the mindset that you have to make it as easy on yourself as possible, and that you cant possibly let yourself get all dripping wet with sweat, because you have to go to the club after class to try and pick up some hotty.
    Second, a real fight, in a true catastrophic situation, is not going to be the same as a class at the range. We go to these classes, to hone skills. To repetively do things, so that we build up our autonomic responses (look it up ;) ) We do them under the eyes of an instructor, so that we are not just doing, them, but doing them RIGHT, and can recieve instant correction so that we arent practicing them wrong. Practicing is great. Practicing something wrong....not so much. Training classes, are not going to be the same in regards to tactics, and many procedures, as what a real fight is going to be like. You can get away with completing a class with one spare mag in your pocket, and one in the gun, quite often. You wont get away with that, in a real fight in a true catastrophic situation.

    What you should do, is use these classes as an opportunity, in addition to the obvious point of the class, to get as hot and sweaty as you possibly CAN. Push yourself. Drive through it while your hot, and dirty, and uncomfortable. Defending and protecting yourself, your family, your friends, in a truly bad situation, is going to be just like that. Get your mind and body as used to it and ready for it as you can now, before hand. And, if you are one of the ones who thinks your going to go to war (and yes, it IS war when you are fighting for you and your family's survival) with 1 spare mag in your jeans pocket, your going to orphan/widow your family. Oh, you may handle a lone looter a time or two, but you will eventually fail.

    The bragging that I see people doing, about training and just stuffing a spare mag in their pants, is nothing more, in my opinion, that self justification and trying to show how "cool" they can be. Its arrogance and little more. The truth of the matter probably is, they either dont take training seriously, or, they are simply in too bad of shape to actually do what needs to be done and/or lack the mental fortitude to push themselves. They are also, much of the time, anti-gear to begin with. You know the type... the ones that make fun of those who do actually use it in the first place. That leads me to my point here. If your in such bad shape, that you cant complete a simple 1 or 2 day shooting class, using even a moderate support load for your weapon, get yourself in better shape. No, I'm not saying you have to be able to survive Ranger school, or fly through the SF Q course. But you can get yourself in decent enough shape to handle a 2 day class in the summer.........IF YOU WANT TO. Much of that, is mental, hence the mindset part. You can probably handle more physically, than you think. The problem is, its not going to be comfortable. Thus you have to mentally MAKE yourself. Many people refuse to do that now, because they dont "have to". Well, if things ever go bad, your not going to have a choice in the matter.

    Just to touch on a related subject... get clothing, and equipment, that is going to make the above as comfortable as possible. No, that doesnt mean you have to go buy the most expensive pieces of gear and clothing you can find, but at the same time, dont buy cheap, just to buy cheap. There is a reason why some things, especially gear, cost what they do (yes, there are some things that are priced through the roof, and are far from worthy of the high price tag). There is a certain amount of engineering involved in making not only a good piece of gear that will LAST (another subject... ;) ), but also thats going to be as comfortable as possible. This applies to packs, weapon support gear, boots, socks, and every layer of your clothing. There is some good stuff out there, that wont break the bank.

    There is an excellent subforum, right here on Survival and Preparedness, regarding getting into better shape. I encourage you to visit it. There are some great posts in there full of info on working out, eating better, etc. There are all kinds of things you can do, in your daily life, to get your body in better shape, and your mind/mindset as well. Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Park a little further out in the parking lot instead of going for the first open spot right by the door at work, the mall, the store, etc.., so you can walk a bit further. Go for hikes on a nature trail with a pack full of weight. Go walking/running a couple of times a week. Do some pushups/crunches/flutter kicks/jumping jacks/etc.. before hopping in the shower every night. When done regularly, those things all add up.

    Get yourself hot, sweaty, dirty, wet, etc... Dont take the easy route in something like a class, just because you can. The pic below, was a 2 day advanced class I did. It was in August. The temp was 98 degrees in the shade (and there was little to no shade at this range) and the humiture was in the 90's. It was HOT. I ran the first day of class with my "patrol" setup, and the second day, with my heavy setup.... full plate carrier, front and rear plates, loaded mags, etc... It was hotter on day 2 than day one. Wearing a plate carrier with plates all day, was hot. Very hot. I was dripping wet with sweat. Did it feel all nice and comfortable, like wearing a nice soft cotton t-shirt and a pair of soft well worn jeans, sitting on the couch in an airconditioned living room? Heck no. It was far from it. I completed the day just fine though, and I am definitely not in as good of shape as I want to be. I've done the same thing, time and again. Did/do I have to? No. I could take a much easier route. Why would I want to though?

    (I'm the tall one....)


  • #2
    molle sucks..:P

    i have a blog post very similar in point. its dated,full of typos and sorta rant like. but thats how i was back then. LOL
    Anyway... good thread hawk.
    Getting ready to sweat
    A lot of us have these dreams, or expectations of what an Event may be like. Some are dedicated zombie, MZB ,aliens invading. While others are into the collapse of our society as we know it, some natural disasters . The main thing involved with any Event is that your gonna be sweating. The reason why , you ask. Your gonna have to actually WORK. That's right, work for your food and to stay alive.

    We all have the gear(i hope) the preps, and the skills. But are you physically able to keep up. While this isn't meant to say if your disabled you should go belly up and say your last words, but you shouldn't give up. Ive noticed a lot over the last few years of dealing with new "survivalist" at camps. I've been amazed by the lack of physical stamina they have. While i am not the perfect example of what a in shape man should be. I do train and work out to stay at my current or better levels. I guess that's why i have this to get off my chest.

    If you fail to get in better shape now do not expect to have it easy during a pro longed event or short stressful one. For example. When was the last time you had to chop wood? I'm talking more than one campfire worth! How bout carrying that load back and forth? Have dreams of hitting the woods and living like an Indian? How much do you walk each day with minimal water and food?There is so much more to it than strapping on a LBV or a loin cloth and charging into the unknown.

    Being prepared isn't just about how much stocks you've put away. Nor how much you know about rubbing sticks together to make fire, or the amount of ammo you have. These things will not help you if you can not physically meet what an Event can dish out. You must plan and prep ahead. You must start getting in better physical shape now. Not after an event. If you fail to do so you may endanger yourself and the others with you!

    GET OFF THAT COUCH.

    You gotta get in shape. Roundis not a shape no matter how you try sweeten up the doughnuts! I started 1 year ago. Hardly able to run a complete ,mile. Hell i was luck to run, not job a 1/4 mile with out huffing and puffing. Now i run a 9 min mile, and am 45 lbs lighter ! I didnt get thhis way sitting on teh web ,suckingdown soda and pop tarts talking about how i was gonna take over a state park as my BOL!

    For me that was backpacking. I used to pack a lot when i was younger. But as you get old sometimes you slack off. I wanted to get back in shape. I didn't want to be slow, and fall out in front of my buddies when packing, and had a goal of one day doing part of the AT. To do this i walked each AM. It was a 1.4 mile loop. After a few weeks of doing this i added my pack to my back with 10 extra lbs than normal. Its a slow progression. Soon i was walking with or with out my load the same distance just as fast! I know what i am doing is working, because Ive seen others first hand that look physically that they could run circles around me. Yet after 4 miles of humping their packs were about to fall out.

    You better think twice if that's your dream

    You plan on using that BOB. You better get to using it. Same goes with any gear. You have a dedicated BOL, better start prepping it NOW. Same goes with your body. Being in shape is all nice and all. But there is better reasons. For one it will not be as stressful come an event. Think back to my chopping wood example! You haven't done anything to physically prepare for that. But you need the wood. I know everyone has worked out at some time. Wanna guess how sore your gonna be. After an event there wont be any " i have to rest" time. Cut wood in the AM,maybe more in the PM, tend to your crops/animals or protect your AO( patrol ,watch etc) Can you handle that in your current physical shape? If you can my hats off for being ready. But the majority will not or cant handle that stress upon their bodies. It wont just being sore, you'll become more mentally exhausted and wore out. You then become a liability to your safety and those around you.

    So prep now, not just with beans and bullets but with your body. Getting in shape is free, and you already have the body,, there shouldn't be any excuse, unless your just plain lazy!
    Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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    • #3
      I think I know that range, South of you?
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      • #4
        i almost posted a picture of me taken an hour after we set camp and doing 13+ miles in 4 hours with 40+lb packs....but between teh sweat,grime and the "glazed and dazed" look i had on my face i couldnt do it LOL ( i made a boo boo and only drank 2 liters that day and it showed) i also took a film at the same time...my mind was all over the place....LOL i sounded drunk LOL
        Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lowdown3 View Post
          I think I know that range, South of you?
          Yes sir. It is.

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          • #6
            Protus hits on the core of my point. Your going to have to work....yes, MANUAL labor. This aspect applies across the board, I just focused on the training example for simplicity. If you cant handling carrying some gear, in a trainin class, how are you going to do it in a real event, when its not just a day or two...? How are you going to provide security, and yeah - providing security is going to be a HUGE deal physically and mentally, and still do all the other things necessary which will all involve manual labor....? The heat, weight, and discomfort of wearing some gear and getting hot and sweaty in a 2 day carbine/pistol training class, is nothing compared to what we'll most likely face post event.

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            • #7
              I hunt on a neighbors land not far from my house. One early freezing morning, before going out we were sitting in his shop drinking coffee waiting on the others. He informed me none of them were coming and it was just him and me. When I asked him why he thought they wouldn't make it, he told me "because they're 70 degree people, they live in a 70 deg. house, get in a 70 deg. car, and then drive to a 70 deg. office."
              I know he didn't mean 70 degree literally. He meant that, we live with air conditioning and like it a lot and there some a that won't do things they might enjoy (deer hunting) because it means suffering a little, living outside of that "comfy zone".
              If there is ever a great upset to our way of life there is going to be a lot of miserable people.

              IMO this thread expounds greatly on those 70 degree people.

              Thanks Hawkeye for the good read.
              A desire changes nothing, a decision changes some thing's, but determination changes everything.

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              • #8
                cim- almost like those who wont camp(even car camp) or hike when its not between 52 and 72f out.......
                I never understood that. Especailly those who are "survivalist". It has nothing to do imho with making yourself "suffer" or being tough or what was it once placed on me and ld's heads "hardcore". It has to do with knowing your limitations and your gear limitations.

                Last spring i finally got a new sleeping bag after 5 years. I wanted something lighter and smaller that would fill the gap left by my other two bags ( 60f and zero f) I purchased a 32f marmot trestles. Now. Then in april i had a hike to host. I didnt want to drag the 60f and be cold ( temps called for 50-55f) and i knew that if i used that bag i'd need to layer up ( hump more weight)..my other bag was a zero f so i wasnt gonna hump 4+lbs of that . So i took the marmot. when it was 25-28f out and slept on the back porch. I was warm.
                I camped with it 2 more times, in mild temps and found i wasnt "sweating" to death. I then took the same bag to the recent fla/ga camp that LD3 hosted. It was going to be around 30f. But it ended up around 25f. I had some "comfort" issues. BUT again. I used the bag. I now 100% know it limits.

                If i had purchased it and said " well its a 30f rated bag i'll be g2g" ,shoved it in my BOB and then one day in the PAW had to use it and at 40f i froze...were would i be?


                It is like i have said 100 times in my films and on the boards.
                Know yourself,know your gear. You gotta trust both to survive.
                Hey Petunia...you dropped your man pad!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cimarron View Post
                  IMO this thread expounds greatly on those 70 degree people.
                  Agreed. I recently got into ice-fishing after years of '70-degree' fishing. You know, those lazy summer afternoons, throw a hook into the water, enjoy a <insert favorite drink here>, etc etc. Fishing in January with a nice stiff breeze was not much fun, but it made me think of being able to feed my family regardless of the weather. Hunger pangs don't come only when the weather is nice out.
                  In God we trust, everyone else bring data.

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                  • #10
                    Amen. Good thread.

                    Often times people read threads like this and go "well those guys are young" or "well those guys are trying to prove something."

                    That's not really the case 99% of the time.

                    You really do need to know yourself, what you can and can't take.

                    You couldn't have told me I could or even had 20 more lbs. to lose if I got down to 200. Yet I've been sub 180 for a couple weeks now (177 this a.m.) I had been 220 for years, could do what I needed to do at that weight and figured it was all good. Yet now I'm able to do things with my body that I was never able to do before, and I don't mean just moving weights around. Drawbacks? I seem to get cold a lot easier, maybe fat really IS a good insulator!! LOL I know I can live off of 1,000 to 1,500 calories cause I've been doing it for 5 months now, but I doubt I could do it another 5 months due to the loss of reserves. I don't know for sure, but I'll go a little longer to find out.

                    All too often in training and learning, we like to stay in our "comfort zone." I have to be honest I wasted a fair amount of money in years gone by going to classes that were simply redux of other training I had done. I started looking at and comparing "my" results to others in class. I never said anything, but I gotta be honest, my pride was full from it. THAT WAS STUPID! Yep, that was stupid, and a waste of money.

                    Now I'm attending less classes but selecting them much better. I go to classes to learn, not to practice or as a "tactical tourist" on a little mini vacation. I can practice on my home range, I go to classes to learn new skills.

                    I enjoy the classes that leave me hurting at the end of them, they find me going home trying to figure out what I can do better next time.

                    It's all about learning and pushing yourself folks.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lowdown3 View Post
                      I enjoy the classes that leave me hurting at the end of them, they find me going home trying to figure out what I can do better next time.

                      It's all about learning and pushing yourself folks.
                      And thats where the problem comes in. As soon as a little discomfort comes into play, people take the easy way and start ditching gear, slowing down, etc... all because they can. After all, its just a class for "fun" and a "hobby"... I'll rant on those two words in a seperate thread. ;)
                      The point is, its up to YOU, the individual, to push yourself, even when you otherwise dont "HAVE" to.

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                      • #12
                        I am no where near prepared as others. i have a get home bag, 2 bob's, some food and water set aside, and my different weapons. last year i lost 35 lbs. this year i am going to lose another 30lbs. I want to get to 190lbs. I feel more comfortable in the cold. I work in an office for the first time in my life (i've usually worked construction or welding). i took an office job b/c it seemed nice to get out of the weather all the time. now i miss the outside. I play racquetball twice a week, do the elliptical 45 mins a day and do 100 stomach crunches a day. not a big time workout. i don't lift weights b/c i've never felt that i needed more strength. but i'm eating right and weight is coming off. our last survival trip it was 9 degrees when we went to bed. this weekends trip is calling for snow and about 23 degrees at night. we have hiking trips set up this summer, and it gets hot here in GA in the summer. you just trade in the pants and jackets for shorts, t-shirt, and bug spray.... lot's of bug spray. but, I HAVE TO DO IT. will i sweat? hell yeah, like a pig. i sweat alot. it might not be the most enjoyable hiking trips, but I have to push myself so that i can prove to myself that I can do it. there is no CAN'T. reality and time aren't going to wait for me to get it figured out and be ready. i have to be the best prepared i can be at any given time. keep learning, preparing, and training. it will only help in the end, or if there is no end, you will have the confidence that you CAN. just my opinion

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                        • #13
                          Awesome thread! I hope it motivates some people to get out from in front of thier computers and really learn what this is all about!
                          This may be redundant but here is a story. I am a Fire Department Lieutenant.We hired a new guy and he was assigned to me. He came in with a bunch of certificates and education and seemed to be getting a good grip on the job, until his first fire. We were called mutual aid to another town for a fire in an apartment building. The fire started on the second floor and had extended to the third. We were assigned to take a line to third and start knocking down the fire in one of the apartments. Allwas going well until we got to the third floor. We started down the hallway to the fire room when my probie stops dead in his tracks. "Whats wrong?" I ask. His answer? "IT'S hot!" Long story short, we knocked the fire and the kid finally got some education.
                          I'm not knocking classes. I'm not knocking the kids education at all. BUT, unless the training you do for bugging out, bugging in, etc. is 100% realistic, the real thing may defeat you completly.

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                          • #14
                            Yup. Nothing beats on-the-job-training!
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