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    Pay attention to some of the areas I highlighted. My comments are in red.



    AUTHOR: William Ahern, Director of Policy and Communications, The Tax Foundation


    Ed. Note: Our Fiscal Future has invited distinguished guest bloggers to share their views about how to get the nation on a sustainable fiscal path. The views presented are their own, and do not necessarily represent the views of the Committee on the Fiscal Future of the United States or any of the organizations sponsoring this website. We welcome and encourage constructive conversation about the fiscal issues facing America, and hope you’ll join the conversation.

    When David Walker was head of the General Accounting Office, he changed the agency’s middle name from Accounting to Accountability, but the concept doesn’t seem to have caught on in Washington.

    The federal deficit is projected by President Obama’s Budget to stay at previously intolerable levels for an entire decade: starting out above $1 trillion, dropping to the $700-to-$800 billion level, then rising back to $1 trillion. The deficit is predicted to be $10 TRILLION over the next decade.

    Everyone has a different idea of what an “intolerable” budget deficit is, or to put it more positively, how high the deficit can be in an ordinary year and still be “sustainable.” In recent testimony to Congress, Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke said that the structural deficit was sustainable at 2.5 to 3 percent of GDP. [1]
    At current debt levels, the government really needs several years of completely balanced budgets, not just deficits that are barely sustainable. But at no point in the next ten years, according to the Obama Budget, will the deficit even shrink to as little as 3 percent of GDP. According to the CBO, it will never even get as low as 4 percent.[2] And the dire deficit projections of reliable nonprofit groups like the Pew Trust and Peterson Foundation are even more alarming: the deficit won’t even shrink to 5.5 percent of GDP in their ****ysis. [3]
    ‘Mind-boggling’ is the term Martin Sullivan of Tax ****ysts uses to describe the tax and spending changes that would have to occur just to get the deficit down to 3 percent of GDP.

    “Our gridlocked, dysfunctional Congress simply cannot bring itself to absorb these types of painful shocks,” says Sullivan. “Given these unprecedented pressures I believe that within the next decade there is more than a 50-50 chance there will be an upheaval either of the political system or the economy.” [1]

    The trouble with political discourse about the deficit is that voters are often numb to the subject (I would contend that most people don't understand the difference between debt and deficit), and as a result, politicians are able to avoid the unpopular votes for cutting spending or raising taxes. Whether deficits are expressed in hundreds of billions of dollars or percentages of GDP, their importance is hard for leaders to convey or for the public to grasp. This public disinterest has been exacerbated by false, dire projections that high deficits would immediately wreak economic havoc. Usually in a partisan vein, commentators have predicted that high deficits would immediately jerk interest rates and inflation rates skyward. Neither of those things has happened, but that doesn’t mean deficits don’t matter.

    If anyone doubts that deficits matter, they might consider the recent warning of Moody’s that the U.S. could lose its AAA bond rating due to high debt service costs. According to Moody’s baseline scenario, Uncle Sam will spend almost 11 percent of federal revenue servicing debt in 2013. But if that rises above 14 percent, which it does under Moody’s adverse scenario, U.S. debt would be downgraded to AA.

    Amazingly, bonds sold by several corporations – Berkshire Hathaway, Johnson & Johnson, Lowe’s, and Proctor & Gamble – have sold recently at lower interest rates than Treasury bonds, a rare event that reflects investors’ nervousness about U.S. spending and debt.

    But what should the nation do? Enact spending cuts? Enact tax hikes? Or do nothing and hope the economy surges so strongly that it brings in far more revenue than anyone is expecting?

    The current Congress has shown no appetite for spending cuts, and many bills are simmering on the Hill that will put the budget in a deeper hole. So unless the U.S. is on the verge of a phenomenal growth surge, there could be more taxes in the offing. The so-called Bush tax hikes are all set to expire at the end of this year, but President Obama has promised to keep all the tax cuts that benefit people making less than $200,000 (single) or $250,000 (couples), and that is most of the tax cuts.

    I wonder if President Obama regrets setting the threshold that high. By permanently raising the AMT exemption and preserving Bush’s 28- and 25-percent tax rates, he is protecting tax cuts that Democrats denounced in 2001. Congress might well snub the President’s ***ertion of who deserves to keep their tax cuts and let more of them expire.

    But unless a growth surge brings down the deficit estimates substantially by mid-summer, even letting more of the Bush tax cuts expire won’t come close to erasing the deficits. Even in 2012 or 2015 when the effects of the housing bubble and the fiscal stimulus have dissipated, the tax rates hikes required to balance the budget are far higher that what they were in the Clinton era.

    According to the Tax Foundation’s Microsimulation Model, to erase the 2010 deficit, Congress would have to multiply each tax rate by 2.4. So the 10-percent rate would be 24 percent; the 15-percent rate would be 36 percent, etc., on up to the top rate, currently 35 percent which would have to be 85 percent. These rates are simply untenable.

    True, the federal deficit is larger in 2010 than in any future year, partly due to the anomalous TARP program and the fiscal stimulus legislation that spilled over into 2010. But even in later years, a simple ticking up of income tax rates to any practical level is incapable of erasing the deficit. Average tax payments would have to rise by almost $10,000 in 2010, and by smaller but still intolerably large amounts in subsequent years.

    This ****ysis is “static,” meaning that it ***umes individuals would not change their income-earning or tax-planning behavior in response to higher tax rates. Revenue estimators would dispute this ***umption, knowing from experience that even small tax increases alter taxpayer behavior. With high-income people paying a federal tax rate in the 65-to-85 percent range, state and local taxes would bring the marginal tax rate on some people close to 100 percent.

    There can be little doubt that the high tax rates necessary to balance the budget in any of the next several years would discourage all manner of income-producing endeavors. Consequently, even when the deficit is projected to be as “low” as it is in 2012 and 2013, it is probably not possible to close the deficit with personal income tax hikes.

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    [1] Remark made during Q&A after submitting testimony to the House Committee on Financial Services on February 24, 2010.

    [2] Congressional Budget Office, “Preliminary ****ysis of the President’s Budget Request for 2011,” March 5, 2010.

    [3] Peterson-Pew Commission on Budget Reform, “Red Ink Rising-A Call to Action to Stem the Mounting Federal Debt,” December 2009.

    [4] Martin Sullivan, “Mind Boggling Tax Hikes on the Horizon,” Tax ****ysts at http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.ns...J?OpenDocument

    William Ahern is director of policy and communications at the Tax Foundation. This commentary is based on Tax Foundation Fiscal Fact, No. 217, available at TaxFoundation.org.
    Last edited by Patriotic Sheepdog; 07-14-2010, 11:31 AM. Reason: Edited to correct spelling
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  • #2
    Most people miss the point that the "Bush tax-cut" was just letting people keep their own money (the Federal govt. has never made a dime worth of money ever) every tax dollar they raise comes out of tax payers (which there are less of) payroll checks. It makes me sick, they talk about tax money like it something owed to them (and like it is some thing that is owed to them or their) it is taken from the tax payer.

    Spending to gain proserity has never worked, Socialism has never worked, Communism has never work (outside of Biblical guidelines, which is not Communism really).

    They have to cut spending.

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    • #3
      eeyore, you are right. Most people think tax money is something owed to them. They don't care that it comes from their neighbors or friends. We have developed an entitlement society which is not good. I have some info on taxes and entitlement that I'll post later. Makes you want to scream!
      Protecting the sheep from the wolves that want them, their family, their money and full control of our Country!

      Guns and gear are cool, but bandages stop the bleeding!

      ATTENTION: No trees or animals were harmed in any way in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were really ticked off!

      NO 10-289!

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      • #4
        CUTSPENDINGCUTSPENDINGCUTSPENDINGCUTSPENDING

        I'm sorry --but I feel better now

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        • #5
          Buster you are right...

          I have said to reduce your weight...eat less

          To reduce your deficit and debt...spend less

          Pretty easy for a peasent like me to see. I guess them there politician types know better :-((
          Protecting the sheep from the wolves that want them, their family, their money and full control of our Country!

          Guns and gear are cool, but bandages stop the bleeding!

          ATTENTION: No trees or animals were harmed in any way in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were really ticked off!

          NO 10-289!

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          • #6
            I recently watched Jim Puplava (live) speaking about this very subject. He is the President and Chief Investment Strategist at PFS Group (http://www.financialsense.com/contri...ames-j-puplava). He also has a radio show. I think that he is usually right on.
            Anyway, what he was saying at this conference was fairly over my head, but he explained how there is simply not enough money to tax to bring us out of the federal deficit. He showed how you could tax everyone in america 100% of their income, tax 100% of Bill Gates & ect. You could tax all of the major companies... And it STILL wouldn't cover it. Survivalism has gone mainstream. He was talking about a "preparing" with physical assets and he also mentioned having a "safe place" to go to in an emergency. Having a major financial guy say those things was weird and only confirmed what I bin sayin' to my fam. Of course, everyone here already knows that. It feels good to be right. I just wish that it wasn't about this!

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            • #7
              From the little I know you must do 3 things:

              #1. Cut Taxes on small business
              (They used to imploy the majority of the work force)
              #2.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Not_Yet_Prepped View Post
                From the little I know you must do 3 things:

                #1. Cut Taxes on small business
                (They used to employ the majority of the work force)
                #2.
                Can I add a few?


                #2. Throw the vast majority of the welfare class off the public teat.

                #3. Cut foreign aid to ZERO unless it is used to promote those countries which show, through actions- not words, that hey are our allies and willing to back us up

                #4. Replace any 'educator' who uses their position to push their liberal agenda to our children with teachers who understand what their job actually is.

                #5. Immediately cancel any and all 'free trade agreements' that make it profitable for American companies to ship jobs overseas and place tariffs on corporations that use offshore workers to make goods sold in the USA

                #6. Enforce the immigration laws presently on the books and repeal the Immigration Act of 1965 that opened the floodgates to excessive immigration from third world countries. Immediate cancellation (through legislation) of the 'anchor-baby' loophole

                Sorry, only the first couple are directly related to the OP but I felt the need to get them off my chest.
                Brokedownbiker

                If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Gov't, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin
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                • #9
                  The sad fact is that the government will use every penny of whatever money it gets.

                  If we were to institute a 80% tax rate across the board with no deductions, the next year the government would be crying about how their budgets were too small, and to fix what's wrong with this country, they just need a few more billion.

                  It's like feeding a grizzly bear: You'll run out of sandwiches before it's "full."

                  Stay Safe,
                  AGreyMan

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                  • #10
                    The main problem with the "raise taxes to reduce the deficit" argument is that the gov and most liberal thinkers analyze this statically instead of dynamically. They don't seems to grasp that if you pull one string over here, it causes something to move over there.

                    Say for instance I make one million dollars this year. The .gov confiscates 250k of it in taxes. That leaves me 750k to spend. Their thinking is that they could take another 250k from me and I would still spend the same. Static thinking this is.

                    First off I now have 250k less to spend so I will not spend as much as before. Not only will I alter my behavior that way I may also decide some things I could still afford are just not worth spending the money on and save it instead. Supply and demand in force here. My money is now more scarce than before and therefore more valuable to me than before so some things are not as financially attractive as they were before.

                    This in turn leads to less economic activity and less revenue for the .gov as demand for goods and services drops. Then people get laid off and all the sudden I am the evil one who caused all this to happen because I am greedy and don't spend what I used to when it was the .gov in the first place.

                    I read an article once that did a study and said that no matter what the tax rates were the .gov will only collect about 19% max of gdp in tax revenues. My numbers may not be correct but the principle is. So even though tax rates are real high they collect 19% of less economic activity and thus less revenue. When tax rates are low they collect 19% of more economic activity and the end result is more .gov revenue. When BHO was confronted with this when talking about capital gains rates his response was something to this extent "so, it's not about revenue, it's about fairness"

                    Even he admitted lower rates equal more .gov revenues but equates that with unfairness. Yet it's more fair to punish success and reduce .gov revenues then borrow more to spend more and pass that burden on to people who aren't even born yet? Wickedness. And no it's not just BHO.
                    My blog: http://greenerground.blogspot.com/

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                    • #11
                      I would argue that it is pretty much ALL democrats and a good majority of current republicans in office as well.
                      Gone is the day a simple farmer was a Representative and a local store owner was a Senator.
                      Which can be viewed as bad or good, but mostly bad. Of course this is my humble opinion.

                      Long Live the Republic!

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                      • #12
                        Our Representatives should be ONE of us...
                        Usually we dont know much but usually we admit we dont know much and apply common sense and research to resolve problems... Currently most of our "public servents" refer to themselves as officials and either just do what they want or whatever the person giving them "pie" (Shawshank Redemption refernce) wants.

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