Southern History

[WiseOwl]

I wanted to put this site out there for people that are interested in Southern History. I have read through this site and find it pretty informative. This is the stuff that they dont teach in school because the gov. doesnt want people to know the truth behind the Civil War, etc. Coming out of public school in GA, we were taught that the Civil War was only about slavery and that the southerners were racists, which led to some good brawls with the "others" back in middle school.

http://dixieoutfitters.com/p/southern-history

Every source here is sited. Just go the links on the left and there is a plethora of knowledge.

Wise Owl

[WiseOwl]

Also, if someone is interested in The Indian Removal Acts, and the truth behind them, check out this book I have called "The Trail of Tears" by Gloria Jahoda. This is an excellent book and tell of the true stories of the trail, why it happened, and what cruel acts "Andrew and the boys" did to my ancestors.

Enjoy

[Klayton]

WiseOwl, did you see the report on the new proposed textbooks? They want to remove all references of Native Americans ever using "peace pipes". Said it casts a positive light on smoking, and that is no longer PC.

What in the world is happening in America? **sigh**

[WiseOwl]

Wow. I just hope my son and future ?(bean in the oven) listen to me and what I explain to them about history and other school subjects. Its a shame that the government is replacing textbooks with what they want kids to learn. Our forefathers have rolled in their graves so much they are full of splinters....

[Triple-sod]

Being from England, we didn’t really learn much about the civil war in school, but obviously anyone with half a brain can see how much the mainstream historical narrative misinterprets the facts.

One thing that always got me though was the extent to which people ignore historical context in there condemnation of the south.

In the 1860’s the ownership of slaves was tolerated part of Southern society....

Over in Britain, the empire was at its might abroad and at home in the cotton mills, the workers who processed cotton picked by slaves in the South, were paid next to nothing (often in special ‘company money’), routinely beaten and expected to work 12+ hours a day. A lot of them were children too, in many cases orphans who were ‘apprenticed’ to the mill, and therefore slaves in all but name.

Then in the countryside you had the farm labourer, living in his little cottage on his master’s estate who was really no better off than a slave on a plantation.

[Lowdown3]

Slavery wasn't going to be economically feasible much longer than the time of the civil war anyways.

"Cradle to grave" care on 50 slaves or buy a mechanical implement?

[EX121]

Many schools don't discuss the States rights vs powerful Federal powers aspects of the civil war, or the industrial north vs rural southern economy. Slavery was and is an easy emotional topic.

[WiseOwl]

Many schools don't discuss the States rights vs powerful Federal powers aspects of the civil war, or the industrial north vs rural southern economy. Slavery was and is an easy emotional topic.

Totally agree. The Civil War was mainly over States Rights. The South had the product and the cheap labor, but if anyone does their homework, white people picked cotton, white folks farmed. Not all slaves were treated like what you see on TV. Some had nice homes and families, they just happened to live on an estate and worked for a white man most of the time. Black people also owned slaves. Most slaves were bought from African tribes that stole young men and women from another tribe, traded mostly for silver and guns. The North also had slaves, not as much since there wasn't as much agriculture. The American Indians were treated far worse and you never see them begging for 40 acres and a mule.

[Triple-sod]

Many schools don't discuss the States rights vs powerful Federal powers aspects of the civil war, or the industrial north vs rural southern economy. Slavery was and is an easy emotional topic.

It’s strange because, I’m willing to bet they do discuss that stuff most universities, over there, but of course by that stage they know that 99% of students can ''handle such complicated topics and come to the right conclusions''......:rolleyes:

So when asked about the civil war, they will answer that;

‘’ It was a struggle between southern agrarian feudalism and the northern bourgeois capitalism, thus following Marx's model.......

All the proletariat were stupid for fighting, especially those in the south, where they betrayed they're own class interests for white privilege when they should have been all joining together to create communism’’ LOL

[All Talk]

Although there were many drivers of the tensions leading to the civil war, the extension of slavery was a very primary one, despite later revisionism. Black Studies professors try to say it wasn't becasue they do not wish to say anything positive about any dead white males. Dixie-conservatives often say it because the slavery issue (quite unfairly) makes their forebears seem intrinsically evil in retrospect.

In fact, Lincoln himself found slavery abhorent (despite some later revisionists claims, you can read his early writings). He may still have been very much a racist by today's measures. His fear and that of many northerners was that with the Dred Scot decision, there would be nothing to stop slaveholders from bringing slaves into northern states and displacing free (white) labor and farmers. That was the stump position Linclon took in the Lincoln-Douglass debates.

Lincoln was always very adamant in saying that southern slaveholders were not evil by virtue of their "predicament" -- he told his audiences that they, too, would keep their slaves if they had been placed economically in that situation as an already-going concern. He told his listeners to be thankful they were not in the untenable position that the sputhern economy had put slaveowners in over time. I repeat, he stressed that his listeners, in the same position, would be no better than the slaveowners.

So much for my historical anlaysis. Now, as a libertarian sort, i object to arguments that say something like "some slaves had it pretty good". I doubt there are any readers of this forum who will give up their preps and independence in TEOWAKI for slavery on that argument, and so we are in no position to make that argument for slaves of the past. I'm not responding to any particular post here, I am simply reminded by some of past arguments I have heard.

[Klayton]

Well, I hate this topic almost as much as politics, as it always starts a fight or smudges someone's feelings.

But I will throw in my 2 copper pieces. The FIRST American Slave Owner was BLACK!
That is right, a black man OWNED a black man. Do your research, another tidbit conveniently left out of American textbooks.

:(

[WiseOwl]

Good points guys. And yes, Klayton, you are right on. I heard that once from a black friend of mine and I thought he was crazy. He was a very well educated dude too.

And yes, that subject can lead to a fist fight in a second. I have witnessed it

[Davar]

Wow. I just hope my son and future ?(bean in the oven) listen to me and what I explain to them about history and other school subjects. Its a shame that the government is replacing textbooks with what they want kids to learn. Our forefathers have rolled in their graves so much they are full of splinters....

WiseOwl, if it would be at all feasible, you and yours should consider homeschooling. I know it's a commitment, but you can be assured they will not learn PC history, science, english, math (I'm sure the PC crowd has even hi-jacked mathematics as well!). We have two with the third coming any week now. My wife and I just cannot be at peace knowing our children, whom we are responsible for to God, are sitting under a liber god hating school system. I know some cannot HS, but if it means cutting the budget, it may be worth it.

[Klayton]

Wiseowl, and everybody else, this book has been sold out, but the author has now released it for free download to spread the word.

Enjoy! :)

http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/