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    i dug through a box of books and found "one year after" a follow up to one second after.
    i've just started and the town has just begun to engineer/build/develop a water powered electric generator.
    my first thought was "refrigeration"
    so here's the "what if"
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    your community has just had its first gathering. electric grid is down. you live rural.. all the questions are asked.
    one of them being. we're still getting food from freezer but this will only last another day or so. folks we've got a "lot" of frozen food ...
    on the way home you are talking to a neighbor, a farmer g, who has a generator and a little fuel, you know that farmer f has fuel
    ---
    yall talk and decide to allow folks to bring their freezers to your barn and you'll run the generator 3 x per day for 2 hours each time. enough to keep the food in the freezer frozen.

    and the question comes up. "what do we charge folks for keeping their freezer going?? "

    there are all kinds of problems with this situation. ex: allowing folks access to your homestead/barn!

    but back to the question at hand... what would someone pay to be able to save the food in his two freezers.

    a few silver coins?
    a percentage of their food?
    five pounds of food commodity (sugar, green beans, fresh fish?)
    labor ?
    ammo?
    other?

    or heck no, i ain't letting no one come down my driveway!
    any related comments/suggestions are surely welcome.



  • #2
    Lots of ways this could go sideways.

    Why are they not eating the food?

    "I brought my freezer up to farmer River's place, even paid him a can of Vienna sausages to run it for me on his generator. I had six years of food in that freezer, now I'm missing all but a couple frozen pizzas!"

    How do you prove he's full of it?

    Full time armed guard, way to verify each person and their freezer. Farmer Jones going to sit up all night just for a little pittance of keeping some frozen pizzas cold?
    Boris- "He's famous, has picture on three dollar bill!"

    Rocky- "Wow! I've never even seen a three dollar bill!"

    Boris- "Is it my fault you're poor?"

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    • #3
      Both posts above are excellent.
      My plan is they will have car batteries.
      Bring me 2 batteries and you'll take one full charged one home.
      Later when it runs down, bring me 2 again or just one and some barter and they'll leave with another fully charged one.

      Also, for the appropriate barter, I'll give you a cheap but workable inverter you can hook to the battery and your freezer.
      For more barter I'll give you sheet plastic and duct tape so you can seal your freezer when they open it and conserve the precious cold.

      over the years I've picked up (at a good cheap ebay price) small Chinese inverters to make 120AC from 12 VDC. Probably got 2 or 300 of them and darn near no investment in them.
      My place runs on 100% solar (off grid) and I have more electricity being made than I use so charging up batteries for trade won't be any pain for me.

      Folks could think "Hey, he's got food, lets go get it" That's why ,,Rawles says "never give food away at your house. Give it to a church and let them pass it out."

      BUT if they raid me and take my batteries, they'll soon run out of electricity. But then again lots of folks never think very far ahead, especially if they're hungry.
      Something about best laid plans and the first bullets. LOL
      Gotta ALWAYS stay flexible.

      Post thought. One second after was a good thought ,,,, but,,,,, If they drop the internet, there goes the power, the motor fuel, the city water pumps and city sewer pumps, telephones within a day and same for Cell Phones, ,,,if that long for cells.

      Drop the DNS servers and most of the net is dead. Scary but likely easy peasy.

      Last edited by prc-104; 01-04-2024, 09:34 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by prc-104 View Post
        Both posts above are excellent.
        My plan is they will have car batteries.
        Bring me 2 batteries and you'll take one full charged one home.
        Later when it runs down, bring me 2 again or just one and some barter and they'll leave with another fully charged one.

        Also, for the appropriate barter, I'll give you a cheap but workable inverter you can hook to the battery and your freezer.
        For more barter I'll give you sheet plastic and duct tape so you can seal your freezer when they open it and conserve the precious cold.

        over the years I've picked up (at a good cheap ebay price) small Chinese inverters to make 120AC from 12 VDC. Probably got 2 or 300 of them and darn near no investment in them.
        My place runs on 100% solar (off grid) and I have more electricity being made than I use so charging up batteries for trade won't be any pain for me.

        Folks could think "Hey, he's got food, lets go get it" That's why ,,Rawles says "never give food away at your house. Give it to a church and let them pass it out."

        BUT if they raid me and take my batteries, they'll soon run out of electricity. But then again lots of folks never think very far ahead, especially if they're hungry.
        Something about best laid plans and the first bullets. LOL
        Gotta ALWAYS stay flexible.

        Post thought. One second after was a good thought ,,,, but,,,,, If they drop the internet, there goes the power, the motor fuel, the city water pumps and city sewer pumps, telephones within a day and same for Cell Phones, ,,,if that long for cells.

        Drop the DNS servers and most of the net is dead. Scary but likely easy peasy.
        I like the plan...but...What happens when they realize that somehow you are charging the batteries, but there is no genny running? "How is he doing that? Solar, one guy says". yeah, and he keeps one battery every time we drop two off, what up with that? How many of those inverter things does he have? He's given at least 10-12 out that I know of. What else does he have there that he's not telling us about? The parked cars all around the area have had their batteries stripped, and I bet all of them are sitting right in his barn. This isn't right! says one man. Yeah, its wrong morally too, says another. Why is he taking advantage of all of us? I have children to think about.....

        Now i know your security is prob topped off, but I could see a problem developing, but one could say a prob could develop with any plan.
        Protecting the sheep from the wolves that want them, their family, their money and full control of our Country!

        Guns and gear are cool, but bandages stop the bleeding!

        ATTENTION: No trees or animals were harmed in any way in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were really ticked off!

        NO 10-289!

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